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Old 08-24-2013, 10:03 PM
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So i really want a diesel motorcycle and have had my heart set on the Hayes Diversified Technology modified KLR650... but it is only available to the military and the release of civilian models has been delayed (or so i am told). Besides all of this there is the nearly $20k price tag.

Ducati is making a Monster Cycle with a diesel motor. It looks pretty cool, but me being six and a half feet tall I'm not sure that i will fit. It's also a street bike. I really like the dual sport bikes if not straight up dirt bikes.

Kind of what I'm thinking at this point is that i will go ahead and start making payments on a brand new KLR650 and just swap motors when they become available. The used ones are typically only selling for around two thousand dollars cheaper than the new ones anyway, so i will just spring for a new one with fewer problems.

Surely i could swap it for a diesel later when they become available and when I've put some miles on mine for less than $19,500.

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Swapping a diesel into something that originally had a gas motor is never going to be a cheap process and it only gets more expensive the newer the vehicle, even if there is an option for a diesel in the same model. I would either wait for the civilian version or try to find a different used dual sport bike that is much cheaper and make that into what you want.
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I understand why the military wants a Diesel motorcycle, but why do you?

They have less power and more weight. Weight is very important on a Motorcycle. Its more important on an off road motorcycle.

Diesel is taxed more than Gasoline.

Even if you bought a brand new KLR 650 and never bothered to convert it, you are still hurting yourself because its an antiquated design thats not very efficient.There are other bikes that put out more horsepower and also get more miles per gallon.

Sure the Diesel gets many miles per gallon but its not worth it in the long run.

But if you really want a bike that turns heads, it would be good for that
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I had heard that the diesel bike can run on several varriations of oil besides diesel.
Bio diesel can be made at home, except for the fact that you need a source for cooking grease, that is usually obtained from resturants.
Post SHTF sources for grease might be thinn ,unless you have a surpluss already.
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Biodiesel production for one. Arundo Donax and Mesquite grow like crazy here. For the simple fact that gasoline will turn to paint thinner six months after production haults and growing corn here just isn't viable. As for doing diesel conversions, it isn't that bad. Yes the rebuild kits are high but especially on a bike... hello, it's all right there.

As for having more weight and less power.... no sir.



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I did not see any specs on the video or web sight that would tell me the horsepower. A stock KLR 650 has a dry weight of 337 lbs vs almost 400 for that bike. But they don't specify wet weight or dry weight.

That diesel bike is impressive I will admit. I would guess Texas don't have yearly smog tests for motorcycles for you to consider it.

If it were for sale at a dealer I would say go for it. If you have plenty of money to blow sure. But I still don't think its worth the hassle for most of us.
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I would highly suggest against this.

I have a client who is a farmer that decided that he was going to get diesel quad-runners to move his cattle around. this way he could just fill them up off the nurse tank in his truck also. Everything was going to be one fuel. Was a good idea on paper but didn't work in real life. They had the torque to pull a house off its foundation but they didn't have the acceleration to keep up with the cows. They would simply trot away from him. They ended up going away after a month or so.

If you are dead set on one go try a diesel quad-runner for a while.
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ENGINE:
Type:4-Stroke, IDI, single cylinder, liquid cooled.
Displacement:611cc
Power:30 PS @ 5700 RPM
Torque:33 ft-lbs @ 4200 RPM
Lubrication:Wet sump, compatible with MIL-L-2104 lubricant.
Air Filtration:High capacity, 3-stage, oiled foam, reusable
Transmission:5-speed, constant mesh, return shift.
Final Drive:Self lubricated, sealed, O-ring roller chain.

WEIGHTS & MEASUREMENTS:
Dry Weight: 369 lbs
Max Width: 35.75 inches
Max Length: 85 inches
Wheel Base: 57 inches
Ground Clearance: 10.7 inches

PERFORMANCE:
Acceleration: 0-30 mph (53 kph), 3.3 sec 0-60 mph (106 kph), 9.7 sec
Gradeability: 60% (32E)
Turning Radius: Less than 7 feet
Maximum Speed: In excess of 90 mph.
Minimum Constant Speed: Less than 3 mph.
Fording Depth: 24 inches
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I would be better served by a side by side ATV than a motorcycle. Most everything I own is already diesel.

Definitely go with the better engine (Diesel) and the vehicle that meets your needs.

While the KLR is an older design, there are not many dual sport bikes that outperform it.
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I think they are sweet, my only concern would be parts if something did go wrong with it.
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Since last i checked ATV's were not street legal. Besides that, it doesn't exactly make the females squeal with delight in quite the same way as a motorcycle. Lets face it... Springsteen wasn't singing about a four wheeler in "Born to Run"

Parts might be an issue... But a good diesel will run longer than the best gasoline engine.
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I survived 3 motorcycles. That was back when there wasn't as much traffic as there is today. I had a '69 BSA Victor Special 441cc single cylinder on/off road, a ' 74 Honda 750, and an '84 Susuki 450. The Honda had 4 cyliders, 4 carbs and 4 exhuast pipes. I changed the 4 exhausts to 2 2 into 1 and rejetted the carbs to a richer mixture. I would road test my motorcycles on a road to the airport. The fastest I ever drove any vehicle was 151 MPH on the Honda. I was young and thought I was indetructable. I am old enough now to know that was insane. I do not recommend anyone get a motorcyle unless they want to be crippled. Cars do not care if they hit a motorcyclist. Wear a full face helmet, wear boots. Wear leather gauntlet gloves and a leather jacket. I did because I did not want to leave my skin on the highway.
I rode so fast that I would steer lightly the wrong way on corners so I could lean further and take them at max speed.
Like I said, I survived 3 motoryles..
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BSA Victor mine had 12 to 1 Comp Mukuni Carb, Cerrianni forks.

Piece of cake to start once I figured out that it had to be just past TDC on the compression stroke when I wanted to kick it over to fire up. Has was your kick starter spring? Mine broke a couple of times. Great bike rode mine for years, then I a fog of stupidity I sold it.



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Yes, traffic is insane. I had a woman almost run me over yesterday as i was pulling away from a gas pump. Personally, i don't think anyone should be allowed to drive a car without a class M rating on their license.
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BSA Victor mine had 12 to 1 Comp Mukuni Carb, Cerrianni forks.

Piece of cake to start once I figured out that it had to be just past TDC on the compression stroke when I wanted to kick it over to fire up. Has was your kick starter spring? Mine broke a couple of times. Great bike rode mine for years, then I a fog of stupidity I sold it.



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Okay, so upon doing further research into the ducati monster bike i discovered that it does NOT have a diesel engine. For whatever reason, some faggot designer felt the need to call it a "diesel".....

God i hate people.
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Since last i checked ATV's were not street legal.
Then you need to move to Arizona, you need to add a license plate light, horn and rear view mirrors and I can drive my quad or 6X6 anywhere it's not posted that I can't.

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i found that forum the other day. Looks interesting. I do have a few parts laying around... but im already doing so much crap that i honestly just wanted to sign some papers and ride of somewhere for awhile.
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Then you need to move to Arizona, you need to add a license plate light, horn and rear view mirrors and I can drive my quad or 6X6 anywhere it's not posted that I can't.

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Dude, laws in Arizona are better than anywhere else. it's kinda' like America over there. Sorta.
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