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Old 08-03-2013, 09:11 AM
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No one loves dogs more than I do. However in this situation I would select the weapon of my choice (shotgun with 00 buck or a good rifle) and have it ready 24/7 and simply wait for them to appear on my property again. If its later the same day or 5 years from now I would put them down in a new york second. Then go have a nice tall glass of beer in memory of your pet.
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I am firmly in the kill camp. Town libs don't live here and don't know life here. Last thread about this subject I took a lot of flack. Don't care. I live here. You don't. If you want to keep your dogs, keep control. I don't make it a point to kill every dog or cat around. If they are well behaved I don't mind watching over them for a while. I have kept more than a few dogs and cats that came up or city folks dumped nearby. One was the best cow dog I ever saw. Gave him to a neighbor when we sold out and moved on the boat. Some were good animals. Likely better than their previous owners. But if they are aggressive or attack my animals, they are DRT.
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a deep growl and fearce anger is a preditor.
Dont confuse threat display behavior with predatorial behavior - Threat display is meant to avoid violence, not provoke it.
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We live just outside a large town. New subdivisions are popping up within a mile of our place.

As the suburbians move in, we have more and more dog problems. Folks think their 1/8-acre lot that backs up to a wheat field is "country" and they can let their dogs roam free.

We find dogs on our property pretty frequently. If they are tagged and friendly, I will typically tie them up somewhere, call the vet's number on the tag and try to locate the owner.

Problem is, most of the time, I don't realize they're on the property until they're chasing after my chickens. Chickens FREAK OUT when a dog is near, they start flapping their wings and running all over the place, and this only feeds into the dog's predatory instinct to chase them down and kill them. If it gets to this point, there is no hope in chasing the dog down and getting them tied up to find the owner. They get shot.
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We operate a ranch and on one end is a small housing development. The people think that since they now live in the country, they can let their dogs run loose. Due to several different and varied incidents, we have learned to shoot every dog seen in our pasture that is not ours. If our dogs get to roaming and don't stay home, they too get shot. A ranch and loose dogs don't often mix well.


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Sorry to hear about your cat I would get another cat then go outside with a 12 gauge and go dog hunting. Call them to pick up the carcass, that typically makes your point.

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My family ranches in NM, we follow the same policy. Any dog that chases livestock is shot on sight. More then one tourist has stopped "O look at the pretty horses" and let their dog out when they got out. Dog chases the horses/sheep/goats and gets a .243 through the vitals. Completely legal, at least one has called the sheriff, they were not happy with what the sheriff told them
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There's usually a noticeable difference between dump offs, strays and a loose pet. Dump offs usually don't have a collar and appear hungry, thirsty and somewhat friendly. We don't feed or pet and will try to re home for 3 to 4 days. Strays usually keep their distance and appear dirty and unkempt. They usually get a bb or rock in the rear once or twice. If they wont leave or appear aggressive, no free pass. Loose pets are usually recognizable with collars, tags, no or few ticks etc. We usually tie up or pen up til the owner picks up.

Btw, we've got 2 kids, twenty something chickens, and our neighbors chocolate lab. They lost their house in the may tornado. We like animals, but our policy is "if we wanted more animals, we'd already have them"
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Shooting dogs that threaten live stock is nothing new. And should be a warning to city scum to control their animals.
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Like the sign at the county line says, dogs harassing livestock may be shot. It means exactly that. And if you come to the annual goat barbecue, we'll probably feed your dog back to you. The 5 acre cityboy farmers have learned to keep their rottweilers in their yards.


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Sorry for your loss. Even one of this kind of act is one too many.
I cannot understand how you can write so calm about that happening and even call those dogs beautiful.
I would be hunting those dogs down myself and killing them and leaving their corpses to owners front yard.

I have been middle of my cat and random dog once... My cat was in leash outside of our house (cannot escape) and someone was walking with her dog released and her dog ran straight toward my cat and tried to kill it.
Dog owner didn't do anything and was only cooing to her dog with soft voice like "bad puppy hih no."
And i was trying to bash dog head break... That lucky dog escaped. And lucky owner didn't realise how close i was to success... That was my first experience with dogs.

After that i have seen over my short life too many mad dogs. Now i don't talk anything about their instincts and killing small animals... I talk about dogs what have been kept badly and when owners don't care how dog feel and what their dogs do.
I talk about dogs what attack toward humans. Some of them are even trained to do that. Others are just crazy because bad handling.
I don't blame dogs for that, i blame owners. I believe every dog can be raised well. But some miraculous way people manage to turn even peaceful and calm dogs to be totally mad killing machines...

I take dog attacks very seriously myself because i have been in few. It isn't nice place to be! And when there is top of that dog owner who just don't care or do anything to stop attacking, or when he even blame you, it make me feel something very dark inside of me.
Where i'm living i cannot carry firearms, but i do have small and handy thing what can be used to break skull. If dog attack human, there isn't too much what you can do to release it. Game with dogs are played mainly before dogs are attacking you. Make it scare you and not dare to attack you.
But if it end that far where dog bite me, i make sure even if i get cuts that dog who attacked me don't wake up anymore. Brutal talk but i just have seen too many crazy dogs and i don't care what happen to dog, i just want to end attack and fast.

Where i'm living this can be counted as self defence. If i stop hitting the dog when it don't bite me anymore (attacker don't attack) it be counted as self defence. When dog attacks are so serious, i can use more serious defence too.
But in the end i don't really care if it is counted as self defence. Because there is chance that dog owner even don't lose his dog if it attack someone. I just want to make sure it don't attack again.
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Two Pit Bull type dogs tried to kill my English Pointer (worth several thousand dollars) the other day. A wind storm recently caused a tree to fall down on his kennel. The dog was unharmed. I moved him and his house under a shade tree in my yard. Tied him there until I could replace the kennel. Having a cup of tea at 6 am the other day. There arose a huge commotion, whelps, screams, etc.etc. outside I looked out the window and 2 pit bull type dogs were killing Gunner.

I grabbed a pistol and ran out on the deck. I couldn't fire as the dogs were on top of him. I shouted/screamed NO!! Turned my back to go off the deck. Intending to move in close and shoot them off of him. As I came off the steps they ceased the attack and left.

The Police and Animal Warden, when I telephoned, said they would meet me at the Vets. They photographed the damage and took my story. They both told me that if it happened again. Or if any dog attacked my dog. Or menaced, threatened, growled at me. You have the legal right to kill them right there. All that turned out useless as they (or me), can not find the dogs or owners. Though we have driven through the neighborhood looking many times. As have law enforcement. So I get to eat the vet bill (tad less than $200).

So what did I learn? I learned that a child or average person would not have stood a chance against those dogs. I learned you need a larger caliber firearm for defense against a dog attack. After seeing how vicious an attack really is, I'd want something MUCH bigger than a .22 plinking arm (I had a .40 cal. pistol). I learned that next time I or my animals are threatened. The threat dies right there if it's humanly possible. I learned the police are as useless as I am at finding the owners of these dangerous dogs. And it took
30 minuets or longer for them to get to the vets. We live in a fairly nice modern subdivision and even there some have dangerous dogs inside their homes. That they let out some times.
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So what did I learn? I learned that a child or average person would not have stood a chance against those dogs. I learned you need a larger caliber firearm for defense against a dog attack. After seeing how vicious an attack really is, I'd want something MUCH bigger than a .22 plinking arm (I had a .40 cal. pistol). I learned that next time I or my animals are threatened. The threat dies right there if it's humanly possible. I learned the police are as useless as I am at finding the owners of these dangerous dogs. And it took
30 minuets or longer for them to get to the vets. We live in a fairly nice modern subdivision and even there some have dangerous dogs inside their homes. That they let out some times.
Thatd definitely be the safest way to do it.

It didnt occur to me to recount stories. Ive had a dog head height with my groin charge at me after slipping its leash, so i kicked it in the head with a safety cap. That works, but id have preferred it if a gun had been an option.

EDIT: For added detail, thats kick singular. It lost a bit of blood and it took it about five seconds to stand back up.

Just dont forget that were the ones who can pick up a big dog with one arm and not break a sweat.
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Sorry to hear about your cat, so sad.
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On the farm or rural areas, You can try many things but it will always come down to the gun. Dogs are smart and when they identify tour place as a fast food location they will continue to return until you deal with them, sorry about the cat they are a must have on the farm.
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You bet it's legal here in TX. There's an old law on the Texas books that you can kill anything that is threatening/killing livestock, or you, or your farming livelihood.

Even a bald eagle.

This came straight from a game warden's mouth to me. We had a rogue puma in the area, and that's why I was asking him.
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As a child growing up in the north woods of Minnesota, I was under standing orders to shoot any dog we saw on site in the woods. No if and or buts. Never had to do that, but I was told that they would chase deer.

My wife grew up in Wisconsin and had a very scarey incident with a large pack of wild dogs when she was young.

If you are a responsible dog owner, you don't let them loose like that.

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When we talk small caliber firearms you have to know where you are aiming at. I know case where somebody didn't even notice few shots to stomach from close range. Yeah he was in adrenaline ofcourse, but stopping power are minimalistic too when talking about small caliber pistols.
Where i'm living we do have some poachers who use 0.22 caliber rifle even to kill bears! They just wait until bear is very close and then shoot to the head.

But when we talk about dogs and dog fights, there is alot of movements around. Or if dogs is chasing somebody or rushing toward you. You don't have time to aim and it might just be impossible. If you are fast enough to shoot the dog, it is good trick already! But you must always worry where you are hitting when you are shooting... When dog is top of your kid or dog, do you want to miss the dog and hit your kid? That make shooting once again more trickier in some cases.
Still probably larger caliber is more nice in this situations.

My gameplay is in hand to hand. Not so good option, but when you cannot carry pretty much anything, it is what you must to do. Your chances really are pretty small here. But there is few trick when we talk about untrained dogs and wild animals.
These tricks are only for situations when to be calm isn't an option anymore.
Like i said before, gameplay is before dog attacks you. Try to read it's body language. Are it scared, are it defencing his area and so on... What you can do to calm situation down? Those are main options. Do not escalate situation any further and do not be threat to the animal.
But some times dog just are crazy and those peaceful tricks don't work. If dog are trained to attack, it probably just rush toward you and attack. If it is untrained you can try some of these tricks:

Do not turn your back to them. Do not run away. Try to be as big as possible. Shout alot and make alot of noise. Be aggressive!

Tactic is to make animal doupt his chance against you and make animal escape rather than fight. This can work even against bears (but remember, This should be used only when normal tactics are failing and you are dead anyway.)
I have been using these things against dogs and even attacking toward dogs and chasing them away...
Usually (my experience) dogs start to circle you and try to find "open spot." they try to get behind or side of you and attack you from there, more safer spot!
If there is only one dog, do not let it go behind you. It probably keep some distance and make larger circle around of you. You can just turn your body frontline and don't have to move from your spot at all... So you have time to turn even when dogs are fasts! You can stay in one spot easily... Unless your plan is to get inside of your house or to inside something else. Then you ofcourse are moving a little bit time at time when you have opportunity. But still remember, do not run away or turn your back to the dog! You are slower than dog, you don't win that race!
Your movements toward your home/car or whatever your safeplace is, are probably very slowly movements because your main goal still is not to get bitten.

If there is multiple dogs i cannot tell you straight away any kind of tactics. Dogs aren't wolves, but wolves are hunting with pack. they can circle larger animals longer period of time and biting it to legs and so on... They don't want to attack when their prey is defencing himself. They want to attack when their prey are trying to escape and running away... because it is safest possible place to attack when your prey is escaping and you can attack from the behind.
I just can quess dogs might work pretty similar way. I would try to get somewhere safe if safe place is near. Just remember, you must be threat enough even if you are moving around! So no running around and hoping you are faster than dogs! Your main goal is still not to get attacked.
If there isn't safe place near of me, i would just pray every gods what i know and hope i'm too hard target with my acting for that pack and they leave me alone after some time.

In reality your chances are very small against the dogs. Specially if you are planning to stay completely unhurted! But what else you can do than try to survive how impossible your situation ever are? I'm here talking about never give up attitude! You should have one already because you are reading preppers site!
But just don't forget what reality is. Dogs are strong and fast and full of teeth! If any of them manage to attack you, you will get bitten and hurted. If you cannot do anything else, try to cover your head, face, neck and throat atleast. It is better if it bite you to the legs or arms than more important parts... Yeah not sound so nice.
That why i said gameplay is before dog is even attacking you! Try to get away of the situation, try to stay calm, do whatever it take to stop the situation nicely. If the dog is attacking you and you cannot end situation nicely, then be aggressively and hope attack never happen!
If dog is attacking your own pets, try to command that strange dog or make it go away... Now i add pepper spray to trick list. I would like to have one in that kind of situation and i surely would be using one if my own pet is in danger. Pepper spray probably would go over the firearms in my list... because even if pepper hurt my own pet, it don't make holes on my pet even if i miss the aggressive dog.

If dog is attacking you, there is couple things what you can try to do even without firearms, sticks and so on.
Dogs snout is very sensitive area. I have seen this to be done couple times with success. Dogs eyes are also very sensitives... You aren't there to play nicely. If you can attack to the eyes, attack. yeah eyes are very small target and probably hard to attack and not in top of your list, but if there is chance to attack there, why not?
It really is what situation is and what you can do there! I have heard how boxer knocked out couple dogs once... I read about case when some kid chocke dog out of the game! And myself... I'm always trying to hit back of the neck/base of the head. Old hunters kill that way their dogs here. yeah it is illegal but it is old tradition when somebody don't want to shoot their hunting dog. They take dog to the forest, give it some treats and then pick any log what they see and hit the dog base of the head/neck and kill the dog at once. that is where i lay my trust.

there is other tricks too! Other peaceful tricks. You can google them and find from youtube. Those are tricks what dog handlers are using when they cannot hurt the dogs (or want.) Ofcourse usually situations aren't that serious that you must try to do some serious damage... Also that why those tricks are nice to know.
From those kind of videos, you also can find more tricks how to read dogs and what there is in their mind. Those are very important skills! because like i said, if dog attack you, game is already over. this game is easier to play before dog is even attacking you. many situations can just be avoided.
I believe usually people are causing most of the problems themselfs. Firstly dog owners don't know how to raise their dogs and secondly peoples don't know how to read the strange dogs and how to behave around them. Dogs have been among us so long time and still people have all kind of misbeliefs...

I listed those more serious acts here because those are something what usually don't be talked at all! It is good if they can be found somewhere.
In the end i would like to remind of that pepper spray atleast once again. Not everything must be solved with firearms and stopping power. I would say pepper spray might be very first thing in "todo" list and easiest tool against the dogs. Aiming not be so exactly and you don't have to wory too much even if your own pet or kid are in the fireline.
Pepper spray might be very good indeed but once again... Where i'm living it is out of our list what we can carry around.

Edit: I started to think about this issue little bit more and realised how weird it might sound when somebody talk hand to hand against dogs because it is pure foolness! Why in the he** somebody would do that? Please try to remember it is reality where i'm living because you cannot carry firearms, pepper spray or even knife with you! That why i leave those advice here even if they sound weird for some folks. If those hints help even one guy who read them, it is more than enough for me.
Those are mainly hints what are given against all wild animals and how to avoid attacks... And those tricks where to attack are more my own experiences and what others have been telling.

I just thought what i would do in that kind of situations if i would have a gun... And i find me shooting that dam dog what is trying to circling me. It make whole issue so much easier! If i would have pepper spray i would be using that instead of firearm in some cases. Forexample if missfire would be too dangerous to happen.
In many countries guys are carrying pepper spray or certain kind of clubs because of loose dogs. Those are good tools and even if you cannot carry firearms, they are better than nothing! pepper spray i see in some cases even better than firearms like i said. But with clubs you need to let dog very close to you... Something what i would not recommend!
I surely would be using those tools if i could be carrying them! Bare hands are just foolness! But there have chance that in some cases you don't have anything at all... And that chance grow when you leave Usa.
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Absolutely legal!

I know a person who's neighbors dog went after his chickens 2 or 3rd time he shot and killed the dog. The neighbor totally upset called the cops, cops show up and and ticketed the dog owner with a class b violation that's 1,000.00 fine here.

Most state have some form of animal nuisance laws. Unfortunately, most dog owners are grossly ignorant to just plain stupid about their responsibilities as owners.






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Dog as public nuisance
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(1) A dog is a public nuisance if it:
(a) Chases persons or vehicles on premises other than premises from which the keeper of the dog may lawfully exclude others;
(b) Damages or destroys property of persons other than the keeper of the dog;
(c) Scatters garbage on premises other than premises from which the keeper of the dog may lawfully exclude others;
(d) Trespasses on private property of persons other than the keeper of the dog;
(e) Disturbs any person by frequent or prolonged noises;
(f) Is a female in heat and running at large; or
(g) Is a potentially dangerous dog, but is not a dangerous dog as defined in ORS 609.098 (Maintaining dangerous dog).
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This is indeed the 20th+ time I've seen this topic come up. Honestly, who cares how/if/why you are going to "kill 'dem dogs"? It's not that impressive man, dogs weigh 80lb wow how cool to "shoot it with my caliber of choice a 30-30 or some 00 buck". It's not impressive and you don't have to be so smug about it. Hell I've probably killed more animals (hunting legitimately/with respectful kills) than most people in this thread. I just don't get the point of half the replies like "I can't wait to kill every single dog I see walk through my property, and then have an ice cold beer on your family pet..." I don't see the point in bragging about how much you hate dogs and/or can't wait to kill every single one you see when/if shtf happens... It's like you are literally excited for it to happen... I honestly don't give a damn about people killing animals as long as it's for legitimate reasons (food, protection etc.).. But again it's not impressive and shouldn't be joked/bragged about... If you find killing animals especially dogs impressive, you have probably never even hunted before, and want to seem 'cool' by saying how you'd kill dogs on your property. Or you just have no respect for the animals you kill.

Again, there may have only been a few posts here that relate to what I said above this time around. I am simply posting in this thread but also in regard to the last 20 similar threads I've seen. One example being the thread where a dog allegedly FOLLOWED a guy while jogging, so the guy made a spiked ball melee weapon thing to carry with him in the future while jogging, and described in at least a 1500 word post how excited he would be to smash the dog's head in or shove the spiked ball down he dog's throat. Idiot/wow you're so cool bro.

To conclude (if you are still reading), if animals enter your property and you have a legitimate reason to kill them, great, do so. Then just go on about the rest of your day. No celebrating/story-telling (or making up) necessary.
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I would try to locate the owners of the dog and seek reparations for damages and I also recommend you destroy the animals next time you see them and then look at the collars if there are any and then file for damages
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