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Old 03-25-2013, 11:56 PM
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Words of our Christian ForeFathers!

Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of "The Declaration of Independence" were orthodox, deeply committed, Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention. It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society, immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture for the people of this nation.

Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, "Give me liberty or give me death"; but in current textbooks, the context of these words is omitted. Here is what he actually said: "An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

These sentences have been erased from our textbooks.

Was Patrick Henry a Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."

Consider these words that Thomas Jefferson wrote in the front of his well-worn Bible: "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator." He was also the chairman of the American Bible Society, which he considered his highest and most important role.

On July 4, 1821, President Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: "It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

Calvin Coolidge, our 30th President of the United States reaffirmed this truth when he wrote, "The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."

In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."

William Holmes McGuffey is the author of the McGuffey Reader, which was used for over 100 years in our public schools with over 125 million copies sold until it was stopped in 1963. President Lincoln called him the "Schoolmaster of the Nation." Listen to these word of Mr. McGuffey: "The Christian religion is the religion of our country. From it are derived our nation, on the character of God, on the great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded the peculiarities of our free Institutions. From no source has the author drawn more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. >From all these extracts from the Bible, I make no apology."

Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were distinctly Christian, including the first, Harvard University, chartered in 1636. In the original Harvard Student Handbook, rule number 1 was that students seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could study the Scriptures: "Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies, is, to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation for our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said this: "We have staked the whole future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

Most of what you read in this article has been erased from our textbooks. Revisionists have rewritten history to remove the truth about our country's Christian roots.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/usa.htm#4fathers
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Good post but I think you are preaching to the devils choir for the most part here. But good luck on your mission work.
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Our Forefathers also had freedom of religion in mind. They were Christian however they did not want to be persecuted for their beliefs. The USA used to be a safe haven for any religion.
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Many founding fathers were Christian. They tried to help found a nation which was open to all religions without using beliefs which were explicitly Christian. For every quote used to argue this nation was founded as a Christian land, there is at least 1 quote and some documentation to argue the contrary. This nation was founded on monotheistic beliefs ( not just christianity) open to interpretation as individual view points varied, not to mention how religious persecution played a role in mass emigration from Europe. In fact many of the founding fathers, such as Paine and Jefferson, repeatedly noted how dangerous religion can be for more than 1reason. However, during this time in history any person who wasn't part of some monotheistic belief was seen as primitive, dangerous, unclean, and less of a person overall. This, to some degree, has carried on through the years which is why every single president I can think of has openly said he was part of a major monotheistic religion even when it is very clear that person shows no actual religious morals in practice. Not many people would vote for an atheist.
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But which christianity?
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Treaty Of Tripoli Article 11.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Lambert writes,
"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom,
not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic.
Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.[15]

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Our Forefathers also had freedom of religion in mind. They were Christian however they did not want to be persecuted for their beliefs. The USA used to be a safe haven for any religion.
Correct as shown in the first quote in the article:
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Was Patrick Henry a Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."
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Founding Fathers Quotes - Christian Quotes of the Founding Fathers - http://christianity.about.com/od/ind...ingfathers.htm

The Founding Fathers on Church and State - http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa052600c.htm
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If I may make a slight correction to the OP, this nation was founded and built on a belief in God.

Not necessarily the belief in Christ although this was the norm and not the exception.
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America wasn't found, it was never lost those Pagan natives new exactly where it was (right under their feet)
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Treaty Of Tripoli Article 11.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Lambert writes,
"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom,
not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic.
Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
you will also note that this was a mistranslation of the treaty. it never stated this was NOT a Christian nation.
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Treaty Of Tripoli Article 11.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—]
Yet the foundation of laws in this country come straight from Leviticus.
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Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of "The Declaration of Independence" were orthodox, deeply committed, Christians?
What were the other 3?
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So does a religion that requires a theocracy. A religion we quirking other religions to pay a tax to it. That prohibits other religions from evangelizing. That advocates discrimination against women. A religion that calls for the execution of women without a trial outside the collection of men of that religion. Is such a religion a Constitutionally protected religion?
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How does one "found" a nation on the doctrine of "turn the other cheek" "take no thought for tomorrow" or "love your enemy?"

This is why christianity just isn't taken seriously anymore. Do you really expect people to believe that as we were killing indians, killing the British and killing each other that Jesus was anywhere in the mix?

Though I'm sure that just as today, while the christians were doing this they were holding up a bible the whole time.
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Being real, if there were a bunch of believers in Sharia at the constitutional convention, the final document would not read like it does.
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If the intent of the founding fathers was to create a Christian nation they could have done a better job stating as such in those historical documents.
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The USA was founded by Christian men almost entirely. When they created the Constitution they could have easily written Christianity into it. Who would have stopped them in 1789?

But they didn't. They left religion completely out of the original document. And then the very first addendum was basically to ensure everybody they would leave religion out.

Those good Christian men specifically and on purpose built a non-christian (and non-jewish, non-pagan and non-atheist) nation.
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when this nation was founded black people were counted as 3/5ths a person and they could be owned. women couldnt vote.

maybe not every aspect of this nation at it's founding was the right one.
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