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Old 02-17-2013, 12:50 PM
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Here's one I don't hear very often but appeals to my lazy ways.

Potassium permanganate - also useful medical item

Glycerine - can have medical uses too.

Put potassium permanganate on whatever you're lighting, give it a squirt of glycerine and it ignites a few seconds later. My favourite method when windy or if I'm just being lazy, burns hot so can ignite tinder of dubious dryness
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I've seen that before, but Potassium Permanganate is'nt exactly a common household item.
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Not sure about USA but larger chemists stock it in the Uk, or you can get it cheap enough on eBay. Doesn't take very much to start a fire so its cheaper than a lot of fire dusts from pine bark etc.

I alway have 200g or so with me with couple of cheap squeeze food glycerine from supermarket. That's my go to fire starter, then lighter, then matches then fire steel etc
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I've found that most people have no clue as to how to start a fire under non perfect conditions. One problem is they don't recognize good wood in the forest or anywhere and try to burn doddy wood, this is half rotten wood, like old pieces of Ponderosa. However all over the forest one can find old stumps that have been there for 40 years, they are a dark gray, have some yellow showing, this is pitch. I cut pieces off with my ax and keep slivers of this. You can hold a match to it for a second in wind, rain or snow and it ignites. My second choice from a match is a coleman piece of firestarter. You can strike the metal piece and sparks ignite the shavings from the back side of it and this ignites the pitchy wood.
Another great fire starter is a cigarette lighter, I have a bunch of them. They're cheap, and easy to use, don't get wet either.
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I was going to buy some permanganate for my pack.
I will get some glycerin too,thanks.
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I don know how true it is but I have heard that either potassium permanganate and sugar will provide combustion or glycerin and sugar. I cant remember which. Please correct me if I am wrong!
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I use potassium permanganate and glycerine as a fire starter when I'm in cold weather and want a fire started quick. If my hands are cold and my motor skills aren't great it works wonders. i would stay away from the fumes for a bit, i dont know if it is bad but i dont want to take the chance. You can get potassium permanganate at stores that sell aquarium supplies and glycerine at wal-mart or Kmart. I put it in little 2 or 4 dram vials and put it in my kits...you don't need much to start a fire and it is effortless minus gathering your tinder and other fuel.
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And nodgree I believe potassium permanganate and sugar work as well, but i think it needs a spark whereas potassium permanganate and glycerin does not. The sugar and glycerine share similar properties and I don't believe when mixed would start a fire.
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And nodgree I believe potassium permanganate and sugar work as well, but i think it needs a spark whereas potassium permanganate and glycerin does not. The sugar and glycerine share similar properties and I don't believe when mixed would start a fire.
I knew it was something like that!
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Ace Hardware carries PP. It is used in water filtration systems.

PP can also be used to treat skin fungus and used to disinfect water.
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Yeah it's a very effective foot fungus treatment
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Neosporin: The Firestarter that treats burns.
With cotton, they can be used to treat injuries, then lit up for a fire.
Lip balm, earaches, eye colds, oral infections, soar throats, etc...

They also have a spray that you can apply to tinder to help get it going.



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Neosporin: The Firestarter that treats burns.
With cotton, they can be used to treat injuries, then lit up for a fire.
Lip balm, earaches, eye colds, oral infections, soar throats, etc...

They also have a spray that you can apply to tinder to help get it going.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIzigCwuY8
I'm a big fan of PJ and cotton balls for starting fires along with the classic steel wool and 9 volt battery. Another trick I learned was collecting "fat wood" (resin rich wood) from old hollowed out tree stumps. Just collect some, feather one of the sides with a knife, and with a little bit of practice you can light it with a ferro rod
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Place a small pile of dry chlorine, add a bit of brake fluid and stand back. Makes one hell of a hot fire in a few seconds.

I use this method when I teach HazMat classes. Very impressive.
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Neosporin: The Firestarter that treats burns.
With cotton, they can be used to treat injuries, then lit up for a fire.
Lip balm, earaches, eye colds, oral infections, soar throats, etc...

They also have a spray that you can apply to tinder to help get it going.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIzigCwuY8

I remember seeing that a couple years back. Thanks for the refresher! Wonder if it works with dryer lint as well?
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Place a small pile of dry chlorine, add a bit of brake fluid and stand back. Makes one hell of a hot fire in a few seconds.

I use this method when I teach HazMat classes. Very impressive.
Do you need a gas mask with that fire? Lol!

Seriously though. I can't see myself cooking anything I kill over a fire made of those two chemicals. But that's just me!
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Dogsoldierace, you can always start the fire with chemicals, and then move the burning wood away from any chemicals. Just a thought.
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why all the chemicals? A simple $1 Fresnel Lense Can start fires and it can practically last forever....well itll atleast work if theres sun outside =/

you can just start the fire during the day and keep it going all night and even for days, unless your trying to stay low key.
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I live in the UK, fresnel lens works very little part of the time.
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Dogsoldierace, you can always start the fire with chemicals, and then move the burning wood away from any chemicals. Just a thought.
Like I said. That's just me. To each their own. But I do appreciate the knowledge. I had no idea of that method.
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