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Old 02-14-2013, 07:46 AM
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Everything Obama has done and ignored has set us up for everything communist want. I predict 2016 election will not happen. We'll be struggling to make it happen at best. Obama's take on water-boarding and the withdraw from Afghanistan shows that he is unwilling to do what is necessary to crush Al Qaeda and get it over with, via the Muslim brotherhood represent the same views but under a different name. It should be obvious this is their strategy to take over politically and Egypt made their success obvious to the world. How, where, when, and who do you think started the Muslim Brotherhood!!!?
How can one not misinterpret what you're saying based on how you presented it? You have two separate thoughts linked together. The overall allusion is that Obama is a founder of Muslim Brotherhood. So how did the reader get there?

First, you start out talking about how Obama has done everything to set up Communism/Communist. From his anti-torture stance to his withdraw in Afghanistan to his seemingly non desire to "finish off" Al-Qaeda. Then you go on to talk about the Muslim Brotherhood, who was the "original" faction of Al-Qaeda (as it has been pointed out) and their strategies in Egypt for world domination (what radical islamic faction doesn't want that?). You didn't bother to link MB to Al-Qaeda.

Next, you asked "how, where, when, and who do we think started" the brotherhood. By your initial statements, you had alluded to somehow Obama did and we were supposed to have an "ah-ha" moment with the rhetoric that you had set us up with.
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Oddly enough, then...
that this morning I saw a news ticker stating that Ms. Hillary WILL run for president in 2016.

Guess it's not too soon to think about it, now is it?
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Not saying its not possible.

But I wouldn't bet money on the idea that the 2016 election won't happen.
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Oddly enough, then...
that this morning I saw a news ticker stating that Ms. Hillary WILL run for president in 2016.

Guess it's not too soon to think about it, now is it?
Vote for me, after all, What Difference Does It Make?
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I can't see Obama trying to become a dictator. I hear this from my family all the time, and it only makes sense if you believe Obama is the one pulling the strings, and that the other side would really be any different.

What would be the gain here? Why upset something that is obviously working so well? Elections are rigged before the vote even happens. You think Romney would have been any different than Obama? Think again. They don't need to worry about who gets the presidential office next.

It's so much larger than who is president and I don't understand why people can't see or accept that. I guess we feel the need to have a face for the enemy, since government as a whole doesn't have one?
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I can't see Obama trying to become a dictator. I hear this from my family all the time, and it only makes sense if you believe Obama is the one pulling the strings, and that the other side would really be any different.

What would be the gain here? Why upset something that is obviously working so well? Elections are rigged before the vote even happens. You think Romney would have been any different than Obama? Think again. They don't need to worry about who gets the presidential office next.

It's so much larger than who is president and I don't understand why people can't see or accept that. I guess we feel the need to have a face for the enemy, since government as a whole doesn't have one?
Obama's not "trying to become a dictator"...he already is one. (Dictators can have elections too, by the way.)

My reasoning for saying that is the way he flouts the constitution and simply does whatever he wants by executive order (or simply ignoring the law/constitution) whenever he can't get it done through the proper channels. (I know other President's have used EO, but NO ONE has been as blatantly obvious and as disdainful of the Constitution and/or the Constitutional process as this guy ( maybe FDR came close or maybe, maybe Woodrow Wilson too...but I think Obama takes the cake.)

The last Time we were this close to having a Dictatorship was with FDR. (Yes, that's why the constitution was amended to limit how many terms a president could serve.)
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Obama's not "trying to become a dictator"...he already is one. (Dictators can have elections too, by the way.)

My reasoning for saying that is the way he flouts the constitution and simply does whatever he wants by executive order (or simply ignoring the law/constitution) whenever he can't get it done through the proper channels. (I know other President's have used EO, but NO ONE has been as blatantly obvious and as disdainful of the Constitution and/or the Constitutional process as this guy ( maybe FDR came close or maybe, maybe Woodrow Wilson too...but I think Obama takes the cake.)

The last Time we were this close to having a Dictatorship was with FDR. (Yes, that's why the constitution was amended to limit how many terms a president could serve.)
Have we forgotten the Patriot Act already?
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"The goal of socialism is communism." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
It's JMO, but I believe this guy knew more about socialism and communism than anyone on this forum.
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Have we forgotten the Patriot Act already?
The Patriot Act was passed by Congress. As unconstitutional as it may in fact be, it went through the constitutional process.

I was specifically think of his many EOs which state flat out that he is ignoring the law or going around congress to get his way. (Illegal immigration, his recent 23 EOs on gun control, refusal to enforce "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"...ignoring court orders he doesn't like [on issuing off-shore drilling permits for one]...etc.)
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The Patriot Act was passed by Congress. As unconstitutional as it may in fact be, it went through the constitutional process.

I was specifically think of his many EOs which state flat out that he is ignoring the law or going around congress to get his way. (Illegal immigration, his recent 23 EOs on gun control, refusal to enforce "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"...ignoring court orders he doesn't like [on issuing off-shore drilling permits for one]...etc.)
As much as I disagree with any president abusing EO's (and dislike Obama), Congress can't even pass a ****ing budget, so why in the world would he not go around them when he could?

The only difference between Obama and Bush 2 is, we thought Bush 2 was stupid.
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he is running the government like a dictator.he dont believe in the constitution,he believes he's above the law.that know body can tell him what to do.and this unlawful congress we have is not much better.the america of the past is gone......the question is when will we stand up and try to bring back true freedom to this america..freedom might be a pipe dream now days.......
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So he openly acts like all politicians act secretly.

We do go through this every election - both sides. Is Obama a terrible president? Yes, but when was the last good one? Certainly not in my lifetime. The threat to our country is much bigger than Obama, TPTB just made sure they had a scape goat this time around.
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As much as I disagree with any president abusing EO's (and dislike Obama), Congress can't even pass a ****ing budget, so why in the world would he not go around them when he could?

The only difference between Obama and Bush 2 is, we thought Bush 2 was stupid.
Congress could have passed a budget any time they wanted during Obama's first two years. The Democrats controlled the entire Congress as well as the White House. They couldn't be bothered (despite the fact that they have to pass one every year by law).

The Republicans were elected into the majority in the House in 2010 specifically to stop Obama from enacting his policies.

The House, since 2010, has passed multiple budgets. The Senate (still controlled by Democrats) can't be bothered to even bring them up for a vote. (Obama has submitted budget proposals to the Senate that have been voted down 98-0.)

The last budget that was passed and signed into law by a President was the last one Bush signed (in 2008).

As to your question "why in the world would he not go around them when he could?"...because it's unconstitutional. He is specifically ignoring/thwarting the current law.

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So he openly acts like all politicians act secretly.

We do go through this every election - both sides. Is Obama a terrible president? Yes, but when was the last good one? Certainly not in my lifetime. The threat to our country is much bigger than Obama, TPTB just made sure they had a scape goat this time around.
I disagree.

Bush was a good man with America's best interests at heart...as misguided as some of his decisions turned out to be. (And I never thought he was stupid, he isn't.)

The last "good" President?...you'll disagree, but for me it was Reagan. (I liked Bush Sr. too, but he was flawed in his decisions like Bush Jr.)

Both sides aren't "equally" to blame. But, I do agree that both sides should be blamed. The Democrats are nothing more than a front for the Socialists/Communists (Statists). The Republicans generally have the right principles, but too many of them abandon them for expediency's sake or because they can't stand the peer pressure (ie they're spineless).
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i had no problems with bush till his last two years,then it went all wrong.that was the hard turn where amercia went wrong.....government thinks there above the laws,and knows whats best for you..
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i had no problems with bush till his last two years,then it went all wrong.that was the hard turn where amercia went wrong.....government thinks there above the laws,and knows whats best for you..
Well, I've learned a lot more about both sides culpability and a lot of the insidious designs lurking underneath the surface of the government/etc since Bush's last two years...it started going all wrong a long time ago. Bush's last two years is when things started to speed up. Does Bush bear blame? Yes. Did he know exactly what he was doing? No. As I said before, his heart was in the right place, but he got bad advice. He was never a "staunch" conservative like he was portrayed in the media, so that made it much easier to lead him down the wrong path. (Bush wasn't stupid at all, but he wasn't any sort of mastermind either.)

Read up on the history of Progressives...that's where all this crap started (about 100 years ago).


some good documentaries to show where we've been and what's coming...

http://agendadocumentary.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8LkIqu1c8
AGENDA: Grinding America Down (Full Movie) FREE to watch for a limited time. on Vimeo:


http://www.inthefaceofevil.com/


also, see the ones in this post (dealing with radical Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood)...

http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...93&postcount=8

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where would be the fun in that?


In all seriousness, it's a very sobering documentary....and people should watch and pay heed.

Those who want to scoff at it need only look up and read about the Holy Land Foundation trial and the documents discovered in that particular investigation. (separate from but totally consistent with the document that this documentary is named after)

edit: here are some links for those that wish to read up on the subject...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_L...nd_Development

a link I found discussing "The Project"....(I don't endorse or vouch for the website, but I skimmed through this particular page and it seemed accurate based on other research I've done)...
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2671

Beck's other documentaries...Rumors of War I,II,III (especially III)...are helpful
Rumors of War (Full Documentary) - YouTube
Rumors of War 2 - YouTube
Rumors of War III - YouTube

Zuhdi Jasser is another person to pay attention to. His documentary "The Third Jihad" is very much on topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuhdi_Jasser
The Third Jihad: Radical Islam's Vision for America - YouTube

that's enough to get started...
that was from a thread about "The Project" (another documentary)

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I have heard this prediction for EVERY SINGLE president since Clinton.
Wow, that's a lot. Oh, wait ... there is only ONE ex-president since Clinton. Not much of a sample size.
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Everything Obama has done and ignored has set us up for everything communist want. I predict 2016 election will not happen. We'll be struggling to make it happen at best. Obama's take on water-boarding and the withdraw from Afghanistan shows that he is unwilling to do what is necessary to crush Al Qaeda and get it over with, via the Muslim brotherhood represent the same views but under a different name. It should be obvious this is their strategy to take over politically and Egypt made their success obvious to the world. How, where, when, and who do you think started the Muslim Brotherhood!!!?

Republicans and democrats alike are warming up to make defense cuts and will inevitably be forced to because of the debt that spirals out of control.
We are be crumbling into vulnerability of all power and corruption GOV'T from the inside out. Creating this debt was the only way to lower us to bow down to this. Obama will take full control and we're his humble puppets.

It may take us over a century to undo the things that will happen by 2016. An overwhelming number of people are unaware, probably don't care, or actively participate in the rising power of communism in the world. They may be spoiled by the freedoms they have and fail to see the dangers within that threaten everything they love about this country. WAKE UP AMERICA. Start voicing the need to take control of this debt and keep our defense up before we end up defenseless and without an able ally to help.
But he said voting is a "God given right."
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oops...

In my previous post in this thread I posted a number of documentaries...

I forgot the one that is probably most relevant to this thread...

http://2016themovie.com/
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The Patriot Act was passed by Congress. As unconstitutional as it may in fact be, it went through the constitutional process.

I was specifically think of his many EOs which state flat out that he is ignoring the law or going around congress to get his way. (Illegal immigration, his recent 23 EOs on gun control, refusal to enforce "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"...ignoring court orders he doesn't like [on issuing off-shore drilling permits for one]...etc.)
thats nothing new. signing statements that change the meaning of law date back to regan
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My words to the letter. I told my wife the night Obama was elected to his first term: All hale king Obama. This guy is not going away". And if you remember, while running for his second term he continued doing outragouse things and saying them as well. She said then: does he not want to get re-elected. I said that he is not worried, if it goes against him, he plans on staying anyway. Get ready folks, we will have a king in under 4 years.
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