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Old 01-13-2013, 09:38 AM
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There is a new tactic being used by the Left in pushing for Gun Control.

They have had tremendous success garnering support by using false statements and outright propaganda, so they have intensified their use of this despicable and nasty tool.

The trend is to attack history and feed the sheeple with supposed "facts" debunking some of histories most notorious pre cursors to genocide.

If you GOOGLE search Hitler Gun Control, you'll see they are now filling the search with "research studies" claiming that either these atrocities never really occurred (such as the Jewish Genocide) or that the facts are wrong.

No matter what, the idea is to use FALSE statements and FALSE information to continue to gain momentum in calling for disarming of the American People.

The most fundamental question is why should what happened in Nazi Germany have any bearing on calling for Gun Control in the US? They are not related. It is merely a propaganda tool. Our God given right to self defense, backed by the US Constitution is all that matters.

Please do what you can to push back against these lies and tactics.
Educate your kids so they can deal with kids who are being fed this madness and bring
it to school. Yes, your children are discussing gun control in schools.
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I noticed a few posts about this, or rather people arguing with friends and they went to net and low and behold, nothing like it used to be.
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Like them, you seem to be more interested in the narrative than in the truth; whatever that might be.
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Typing "Hitler Gun Control" into google, this was the first link that popped up:
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop..._about_hitler/

The historical information in the article, for the most part (except there is one major outright lie about the Warsaw uprising), is accurate, but I do find the tone very unsettling.

The Nazis did loosen gun laws for German citizens. Let me put in other words: German citizens who were not Jewish or Communist, were NOT disarmed. After the Nuremberg laws were passed, the Jews were no longer considered citizens, therefore they could not legally own firearms. Registration had already been mandatory under the Weimar Republic, so the Nazis already knew which Jews had guns. After the shooting of Ernst vom Rath by a Jew in 1938, Kristallnacht erupted and most who were arrested that night owned firearms, or were political leaders, religious leaders, etc. This was in 1938, while the Nuremberg laws which made Jews non-citizens was passed in 1935 so by then it was illegal for them to own firearms.

They seem to be missing the point in the article however. That if you disarm a population, in this case, one race of people living in a nation, then you can easily do what you will with those people.

I also find it strange that the say "oh well the Jews never could have fought back blah blah". Yea ok.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising
They even mention the Warsaw Uprising in the article, but say that only 20 Germans were killed which is a complete lie.... thousands of German soldiers died fighting in that battle.
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There is a new tactic being used by the Left in pushing for Gun Control.

They have had tremendous success garnering support by using false statements and outright propaganda, so they have intensified their use of this despicable and nasty tool.

The trend is to attack history and feed the sheeple with supposed "facts" debunking some of histories most notorious pre cursors to genocide.

If you GOOGLE search Hitler Gun Control, you'll see they are now filling the search with "research studies" claiming that either these atrocities never really occurred (such as the Jewish Genocide) or that the facts are wrong.

No matter what, the idea is to use FALSE statements and FALSE information to continue to gain momentum in calling for disarming of the American People.

The most fundamental question is why should what happened in Nazi Germany have any bearing on calling for Gun Control in the US? They are not related. It is merely a propaganda tool. Our God given right to self defense, backed by the US Constitution is all that matters.

Please do what you can to push back against these lies and tactics.
Educate your kids so they can deal with kids who are being fed this madness and bring
it to school. Yes, your children are discussing gun control in schools.
I was surprised that googling "hitler gun control" returned so many studies which try to change history. The Jews and communists were disarmed in 1938 by the passing of the Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons law. ( Halbrook, Stephen P. (2000) "Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews." Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, Vol 17. No. 3. p.528)- notice how I use a reference to an actual peer reviewed paper...

The liberals are marching us down the path predicted by George Orwell, from 1984:

"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."

And guess who said this?
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow
the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all
conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms
have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
Adolph Hitler

Obama is certainly fundamentally changing america, from freedom to slavery...
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All I will say is this.

Whenever a hostile power is in control the FIRST PRIME AGENDA they will try and lever gun CONTROL on a host population.

We can argue til we're blue in the face about gun control and gun rights in 3rd Reich Nazi Germany, however at the end of the day if you were a subject like in Poland, France, Jews etc etc you were restricted from gun owning. Even German people had to have gun registration (in return for liberal gun rights).

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For a rough analogy of what is going on now consider D.C and certain stringent states of the USA as the 'fatherland.' Only if you are LEO, Feds or Government do you get proper gun rights (typically).
Now if you are in the free states you are not yet 'occupied' with gun CONTROL.

This is the deadlock that the ptb are trying to force CONTROL into the individual states. Except the other states that have good gun rights are viewed as 'subject states' by the DC gang.
It's a power-struggle between one side and the other only now the 'fatherland' is getting desperate. There little bands of hyena's are going to try to disarm you, with the thin end of the wedge.

They even have the degenerate-attitude to mock and treat gun owners as 'sub-human', where have we heard that before I wonder? Just read the Huffington Post about FPS' manager getting killed to see what I mean.
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Interesting that most of the google entries refer to the same article. Even more interesting is in the quotes of the university professor were the words " probably wouldn't" and "probably a fraud and was likely never uttered"

Meaning they really don't know. It is his opinion. So based on someone who really does not know they are putting this out. And repeating it over and over. Just propaganda. Using the internet to influence the population to their desired goals. The comments below also use standard propaganda tactics. Attack anyone who disagrees with the article. Interesting that in Viet Nam the Minister of Propaganda just admitted the Commie Party is using the very same tactics I listed above. All we can do is continue to fight them and their lies.
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The Nazis did loosen gun laws for German citizens. Let me put in other words: German citizens who were not Jewish or Communist, were NOT disarmed. After the Nuremberg laws were passed, the Jews were no longer considered citizens, therefore they could not legally own firearms. Registration had already been mandatory under the Weimar Republic, so the Nazis already knew which Jews had guns. After the shooting of Ernst vom Rath by a Jew in 1938, Kristallnacht erupted and most who were arrested that night owned firearms, or were political leaders, religious leaders, etc. This was in 1938, while the Nuremberg laws which made Jews non-citizens was passed in 1935 so by then it was illegal for them to own firearms.
Finally someone who realizes that the Weimer Republic actually had stricter gun control than Nazi Germany. It was in the Nazi's best interests to arm the German people --- pending Russian invasion.
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Finally someone who realizes that the Weimer Republic actually had stricter gun control than Nazi Germany. It was in the Nazi's best interests to arm the German people --- pending Russian invasion.
Exactly, and it did actually pan out during the last month of the war. I've seen a few photos of Volkssturm men with hunting rifles and shotguns, however, they weren't very effective considering they were the oldest men and youngest boys wielding them with little to no combat training.
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Dianne Feinstein caught in a lie...she wanted an out right ban originally:


On her official website she also claims: "In a Department of Justice study (pdf), Jeffrey Roth and Christopher Koper find that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was responsible for a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders..."

HOWEVER, you go look at that "study" and on the FIRST page it states: "Points of view in this document are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily represent the official position of the U.S. Department of Justice."

And if you READ the study, it clearly states that they ESTIMATE that there was a 6.7 decrease from 1994 to 1995

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons

But it's about more than just gun control...it's all about power and money. And it all starts with education, brainwashing, and conditioning:

http://youtu.be/okPnDZ1Txlo
Don't let the title fool you. This video is actually about how government-run schooling contributed to the rise of socialism, imperialism and eventually fascism in Germany between the 1890s and 1940s.

It's really heartbreaking that a US Senator is allowed to make such outright lies. Of course, the Seventeenth Amendment led to the destruction of the purpose of the US Senate.
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The problem is the 47% have no interest in the truth as long as they get their hand outs all is well. I can not tell you how much I have enjoyed hearing the ones that are working complain that the taxes went up on them. Sadly the only way to wake them up is hit them in the pocketbook.
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Google is in bed with the dictator and his NWO handlers.
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It's not "left" pushing for this. There is no left/right. Look carefully and you'll see that it's just well-connected corporate media people with an agenda. Presumably, they're backed by big monied interests, domestic and/or foreign.
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That is the thing that kind of suprised me is that there are no really good studies done on this subect.

Over here we are mad keen for a royal commision on things. I haven't been able to find the equivalent
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Other common lies that are being pushed hard:

Lie #1) The second amendment grants or granted the right to keep and bear arms. (If laws that are made by man are the source of something, all you have to do to remove what the law created, is remove or change the law.)

Lie #2) The Second Amendment was for the militia/ the military and "arms" means black powder muskets and swords.

Lie #3) Rights are inalienable instead of unalienable. (Inalienable rights can be transferred with your consent. Unalienable rights can not, you're stuck with them. The result is that it's better for a tyrant if your rights are inalienable).

Lie #4) Inalienable means the same thing as unalienable.
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I figured that they were going to do this, when on Drudge it was the headline…but he included Stalin. If you were an Aryan at that time…you probably did not have to worry too much. I believe the gun control included others in Germany that was not Aryan etc. When the Nazis moved into other countries, they tried to take away their guns also. I get the feeling that sometimes anti-gunners are against the Jewish race…some that I know hate Israel

It is not just Hitler…what about
Cambodia
China
Guatemala
Rwanda
Ottoman Turkey
Uganda
Soviet Union
Zimbabwe
America…after the civil war
Japan
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http://natall.com/national-vanguard/...gunhitler.html

Hitler is a convenient boogyman. People with agendas always twist the facts in an effort to convince others, or simply will not face facts that contradict their opinions.

Historical fact is neither left or right.
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That is the thing that kind of suprised me is that there are no really good studies done on this subect.

Over here we are mad keen for a royal commision on things. I haven't been able to find the equivalent
Oh, yes. The "Royal Commision". I' m sure they'd never lead you astray.
I' m mad keen on them too. Why, they're Royal.
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Oh, yes. The "Royal Commision". I' m sure they'd never lead you astray.
I' m mad keen on them too. Why, they're Royal.
For some reason I read that in a homer simpson voice.

So you actually know what it is I am talking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission
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