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Old 08-13-2012, 11:12 AM
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Please forgive me if this has been already covered. I copied this from a recent email.

The Government Plot to Nationalize IRA’s & 401k’s continues!
The Signs & Timeline:
September 2009, Goldworth Financial uncovered the early blueprint of our Government`s Plot to Nationalize Private Retirement Accounts. The 401(k)/IRA de-privatization is the brain child of Teresa Ghilarducci, who through funding from the White House and the Highly Influential Ford & Rockefeller Foundations, engineered a new "Regulatory & Tax Incentive". We reported, the purpose is to herd and ultimately force Americans to convert their Retirement Accounts into Government Managed accounts.
January 2010, we reported on the upcoming meeting between the Labor Department and the Treasury Department, who met to discuss: “ways to promote the conversion of 401k savings and IRA accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams.”
Where do you think the Treasury Department wants to put your money?
Remember, mid/late-2009 is when China notably reduced their purchases of U.S.Treasury Bonds.
On February 12, 2010- CNBC’s Rick Santelli voiced his concern over the “Almost” Failed 30 year Treasury Bond auction. He said, “Something massive is going on here, and it is being covered up. We are very likely on the next stage of the crisis: The U.S Bond Market Collapse!”
Who or What kept the auction from Failure?
Only 10 minutes before the end of the T-Bond auction, a “Mystery” Direct-Buyer purchased the unsold Bonds. The Fed’s later disclosed, they stepped in and bought 25% of the Bonds auctioned off by the Treasury department.
Now they`re "stepping-in" at Every auction and buying Over 61%!
The Treasury Department needs “Fresh” -New Buyers; New Money... Your Retirement Account?
The last week of February 2010, we reported on the government documents that further confirmed, the Plot to Nationalize Private Retirement Accounts: “In chapter 3 of the annual report on the middle class, released in February by Vice President Biden and the white house task force on the middle class, the Obama Administration`s call for enhancing the “retirement options”. The plan as sketched in the 43-page document, called for the creation of something called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRA`s)”.
A few weeks later…
The March 9 edition of Business Week reported: “New Federal Regulation designed to promote the conversion of 401K savings and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams, would help drive cash into government controlled entities such as American International Group (AIG)."
January 2011, Goldworth Financial reported and Warned that: “Government employee pension plans are at the Highest Risk”. These accounts would be the first to succumb to a government “grab”.
A few weeks later, on May 15th, The Washington Post reported: “Treasury to tap pensions to help fund government”.
We later Warned, it wouldn’t be the last time and YES, with new legislation, they did it again!
On January 17, 2012- Reuters reported: “The Treasury dips further into pension to avoid debt limit”. (emphasis added)
It`s True, Big Government is getting BIGGER and our Constitutional Rights are Diminishing. The Supreme Court`s ruling on ObamaCare, has opened the Legal Door for much more!

The Latest Move Towards Nationalized Retirement Accounts:
The Latest move can be found in the Obama Administration`s, 256 page- FY 2013 Budget Proposal. The revival of his 2008 presidential run, the “Automatic IRA” which has now “Evolved” into two proposals:
Secure Choice Pension & Government Retirement Accounts (GRA’s), both of which automatically- “Mandate” 5% - 6% contributions into Government Run Pension fund.
One feature of "GRA`s" is once a participant dies, the uncollected equity belongs to the government. It’s no wonder the Retirement age for GRA’s will be 67, and one proposal calls for 69 years of age. They’re “off the hook” as soon as you`re dead.
Another change to the retirement account laws, the Tax Benefit. The current Tax Deduction will be replaced with a "Credit", which is only redeemable after retirement. To be Eligible for the Tax Credit, you will be given the “Option” to place Your Equity into Annuities composed of U.S Treasury Bonds, that will payout an estimated 3% annually.
Yes, you`ll be Investing/Buying what China No longer wants, U.S. Debt (Treasury-Bonds).
Will This Socialistic Plot end, when Obama`s Term ends?
No matter who wins, our government is Neck-Deep in Debt. When faced with the Reality of a Complete government Collapse… a Politician will do, what a Politician, needs to do! The $4.6 Trillion in IRA’s and the $4.3 Trillion in 401(k)s … are all too tempting!

The Train is already in Motion!
On May 18, 2011, senators Herb Kohl (D-WI) and Mike Enzi (R-WY) introduced S1020: “Saving Enhancement by Alleviating Leakage in 401k saving Accounts”, AKA: Seal 401k savings accounts.
First comes Restriction, then Outright Control! This Bill will Restrict you from accessing Your money; you wouldn`t even be able to borrow from it.
On February 16, 2012, Rep. Richard Neal (D-MA) introduced HR4049-"Automatic IRA Act of 2012". Yes, the very same proposal found in President Obama`s FY-2013 Budget Proposal. Much like Obamacare, it`s a mandate for both the employer and employee. Both must pay into a government "Managed" Pension Fund; this Bill has other similarities to GRA`s.
On February 23, 2012 California congressman Kevin De Leon introduced SB1234, it`s known as: "Golden State Retirement Trust". This Bill is based on GRA`s
On May 6, 2012 Lauren Schmitz, a research analyst at the Bernard L Schwartz Center for Economic Analyst (SCEPA), introduced HB5337. SCEPA is the very same Institution where Teresa Ghularducci originated the GRA concept. Of course, this Connecticut Bill is also based on GRA`s.

Other states such as Florida and Ohio have made or are actively conducting moves such as GRA’s.
As Reported in [Vol. 7.1] of the South CAROLINA JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND BUSINESS:
The Social Security Administration would administer the GRAs in addition to existing Social Security benefits. Without a tax incentive, 401(k) plans would likely cease to exist, making Social Security and GRAs the principal retirement investment vehicles for many Americans. However, Congressional borrowing from the Social Security Trust Fund for non-Social Security spending`s has resulted in a Treasury debt to the Trust Fund in excess of $2.6 billion. Implementation of GRAs would provide the federal government with an entirely new source of capital to raid to meet current spending needs. In essence, taxpayers would be nudged out of Section 401(k) plans and into a government held and government-managed retirement system that the Treasury couldborrow against. These measures comprise a network of capital controls that use regulation, incentives, taxes, and the threat of civil and/or criminal penalties to incentivize taxpayers into directing their investments where the U.S. government has more disclosure, control, and access to the capital.

Can an Entire Country be "Persuaded" to Give-up Their Money?
Countries such as Belgium, Poland, Hungary, France, Argentina, Bolivia and Ireland have already Seized Private Retirement Accounts. They convinced their citizens through newly formed legislation and of course ..... Tax implications.
Did the Supreme Court`s Ruling, open Pandora`s Box?
FoxNews commentator, Judge Napolitano said: "The supreme court ruling on ObamaCare, gives the federal government `power on a platter` to tax everything under the sun."

If you have read Goldworth Financial`s previous reporting on the de-privatization of retirement accounts, yet are waiting for the official government announcement: “To protect you and for the good of our country, we are nationalizing private retirement accounts”. By then, it will be too late!
It’s the old “Frog in a Boiling Pot of Water”, they turn up the heat, in stages.
If the Supreme Court`s ruling on ObamaCare didn’t wake you, it should. The Ruling will simply be used as Case Law when Government "herds" everyone into Nationalized Retirement Accounts.

You have worked Long and Hard for your money, taxes will take a portion, inflation will take a portion… Don’t allow Government to Take the Rest! Government money is Only a Note, a government promise; tangible Gold & Silver are Constitutional Money.
Much like Eminent Domain, most assets can be “taken-over” by the government.

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So the moral of the story here is that it will be better to be irresponsible and dependent on others. This really sucks for us that work hard, save and invest for our families. It's no wonder everything is falling apart all around us.

Time to go long on manufacturers of rifle scopes.
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Politicians have had their eyes on 401's and IRA's for some time now. Probably will happen if Barack gets another term. That may be good news if that is all that happens in a second term. Communism will make the Country look and feel very different. Hope we don't find out.
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The problems with GRAs is that it's mandatory to participate, and you can only take out 10% of your balance, then only with permission. I call that a tax.
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i thought i was already funding my retirement with a social security tax...

...oh wait...i wont get any of that so i need an additional level of tax for a retirement i wont get either
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Sounds right.
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Shouldnt all this be in the civil war thread?
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If this ever came to pass, the market would crash as the majority of those with a 401K decide to take the penalty and early withdraw whatever they can get just to protect it. It would be just like a bank run but without the FDIC to backstop it.
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If this ever came to pass, the market would crash as the majority of those with a 401K decide to take the penalty and early withdraw whatever they can get just to protect it. It would be just like a bank run but without the FDIC to backstop it.
I agree but they probably would do it in such a way as to lock it so that you could not get it penalty or not.
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Here's an idea that I've been toying with. Freeze the market. Require financial institutions to disperse all assets are frozen value. Disband/illegalize the stock market. We really DON'T need it. The stock market has no real value. If cocacola is making a million dollars a day gross profit from their sales, and the stock market crashes. They are still making a million dollars gp in sales regardless. As for banks? **** 'em. Credit Unions are the way to go.

P.S. I haven't slept in 36 hours, so feel free to flame this non-sense.
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Hell, what's to prevent them from enacting a retroactive law that requires us to re-fund any cashed out 401k or IRA? They passed a retroactive tax on silver in 1937 and then again in the 1980s I believe.
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i thought i was already funding my retirement with a social security tax...

...oh wait...i wont get any of that so i need an additional level of tax for a retirement i wont get either
Silly Castor! Don't you know how important it is to fund congressional entitlements? We can't have them giving up any of their multi-million dollar junkets or the Cadillac health insurance that was too expensive for we the people to have.

Seems logical that if this does come to pass, we won't get enough warning to allow us to defund our assets before they steal them. Good thing to keep an eye on though. Thanks for sharing.
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The Democrats have mentioned it several times. If Obama wins again I would think it could happen. It would probably cause some bloodshed.
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Oh come on, they only want to take the second away, now this..

I mean whats the motivation to remain civil?

By the way...Who is John Galt.
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according to this guy they (mutual funds/401K plans) run up the price of stock only to be unloaded by the insiders crashing it, thus transferring wealth away from YOU.

very interesting thought that makes absolute sense.


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The problems with GRAs is that it's mandatory to participate, and you can only take out 10% of your balance, then only with permission. I call that a tax.
I call it a declaration of war. As a self-employed small business owner, I will refuse to participate. They already get 12.4% of my income, they will not get my private property.
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Oh come on, they only want to take the second away, now this..

I mean whats the motivation to remain civil?

By the way...Who is John Galt.
Very good sir!
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The stock market would go down like a ton of bricks. And whether you believe it or not, companies actually make financial use of their stock valuations. So in my opinion this is a non-starter.
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more bs through emails. like denzel whipping out his check book to pay for a new building at fort hood for injured vets.
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I find it damn ironic that the unions are pushing mittens wants to take pensions considering the champion of pension and 401k nationalization is a demorat. Theresa geralducci.


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