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Old 10-05-2012, 05:34 PM
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i have a problem here. i dont own an ar and dont plan on getting one. to many parts and to military looking. someone sees a black rifle you immediatly become a target. so i was thinking maybe my marlin 336c in 30-30 would be my go to. its not heavy. it has a scope and back up irons along with being a common round. plus it holds 6+1 so thats a good amount of hell. but should i just really use my side arm/shotgun for defense and take my single shot 243 as my longrange/ hunting rifle? my side arm currently is a taurus tracker 22 lr revolver. holds 9 rounds. but im not sure. any help is welcome.

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i have a problem here. i dont own an ar and dont plan on getting one. to many parts and to military looking. someone sees a black rifle you immediatly become a target. so i was thinking maybe my marlin 336c in 30-30 would be my go to. its not heavy. it has a scope and back up irons along with being a common round. plus it holds 6+1 so thats a good amount of hell. but should i just really use my side arm/shotgun for defense and take my single shot 243 as my longrange/ hunting rifle? my side arm currently is a taurus tracker 22 lr revolver. holds 9 rounds. but im not sure. any help is welcome.

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I share many of the same concerns. I own a variety of rifles, from innocuous-looking Mosin 91/30's, to the "evil" AR-15. But for most applications, I have decided on a compromise: the Ruger Mini-14. It looks like a hunting rifle, but acts like an AR.

As for your choice of a lever gun, I don't believe that it will underserve you. To the average Joe, especially the average urban Joe, you will likely be underestimated. Lever guns are a 19th century design, and non-shooters will likely see it as a throwback to a spaghetti western than a viable threat.
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thats what i though. but my lever gun is a pretty good rifle. and i have looked at the mini 14 for that reason. but I dont have that kind of toy money. any who, i love my lever gun but what if i took my single 243 and a sidearm/ shotgun for defense and had the 243 for a good longrange or hunting weapon?
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Isn't Wyoming "long range" country? If so you will be better served with a side arm and single shot .243 as defensive options. .30 30 is a great round but even with Leverevolution rounds it's distance limited.

Keep your lever for home and .243/side arm for bug out?
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thats what i was thinking. but i dont know what to get as a good sidearm. my tracker works well but im afraid it dosnt have the force needed
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I was seriously considering buying a lever gun just a couple days ago. WalMart just got a whole bunch of new levers in stock, and they had a carbine length version in .45LC (thing was like a Red Ryder in size!) that I thought would be the perfect partner arm for a Ruger Vaquero in .45LC.

Maybe my inner Cowboy just gets the better of me sometimes, but man that thing was cool!
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you're in WY, I wouldn't worry about carrying around an AR or other black rifle (or any gun for that reason). If the SHTF, I would almost bet that you'd be one of the lightest armed people around with your current armament.

BTW, with the size of the 4 legged predators in that state, I would recommend upgrading the power of what you've got. I would say either up that lever rifle to a 45-70 and/or upgrade the pistol to a 45 ACP or 10mm and/or upgrade the rifle to a multishot 30-06 or higher.
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well around my bol we dont have the huge predators. but where we would go for hunting/gathering there would be. probaly well get a ruger alaskan in 454
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You don't need an AR. Plain old rifle is fine for hunting and defense. People used them successfully back when there was a real need to do both.
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If you just can't make up your mind, there's always the tactical, black lever action rifles with quad rails, collapsible stock, and some fancy lighting and optic options! that would make anyone who is considering messing with you reconsider!
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Lever guns make fantastic SHTF guns. The model and chambering you choose should fit your most likely scenario.

When lever guns are mentioned, most people immediately think "30-30" or "pistol caliber". These people are ignorant. You can get lever guns in 270 Win, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, and 405 Win, just to name a few powerful cartridges.

Not that there is anything wrong with the 30-30. If you have a grey man mentality, it is more than adequate in most scenarios.

Personally, I think most city police should utilize a lever in 30-30, rather than ARs. A lever gun in 30-30 offers a much better suited balance between safety and terminal performance in the urban environment than the 223/5.56 does.
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i have a problem here. i dont own an ar and dont plan on getting one. to many parts and to military looking. someone sees a black rifle you immediatly become a target.
LOL, ya, whatever......during a real shtf event the guy with the AR/AK is a hard target and gets left alone, if you dont like AR's well fine, but if you think those of us who own them will be at greater risk than you during your scenario your ether stoned or stupid.
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Given your current situation, the Mosin Nagant would be a good place to start for an inexpensive long range upgrade, and it will handle grizzly. Any of the Cavalry Killer military rounds, from the 6.5x55 to the 8x57 will work on that one, though you have to place your shot. (You have to even with the magnums, but they don't tell you that part....). The .44 mag is easier to find than the .454, most places. Redhawk works.
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Not sure why you could not take all four. If SHTF I would rather have the lever though it sounds like you might be out on the plains. I still would rather have the lever. I would not have much use for the 22 pistol. Not much to shoot to eat out there. If I went up into the mountains (bear country) I would use the shotty if 12 guage for bears and the lever for backup. But if I had your four guns I would take them all. I like guns. Lots of guns.
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get a lever in .357/38 spec
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That lever action 30/30 is a great gun. I also have a marlin and I can't say one bad thing about it.
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I've got a Marlin 336 in .30-30 and a Marlin 1895 SBL in .45-70 Government. Lever guns are my favorite.

“Beware the man with one gun, he knows how to use it.” Well, I know how both of these rifles work just fine.



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If you expect to be in heavy bush country the .454 is the most practicle , tha Puma will handle both .454 and .45 long colt . Both will take bear. but they are short range charge . 30/30 is also very capable for ranges of 300 yds but drop-24"
The 308 only has a drop of about 14"
. Check out Remingtons ammunition Ballistics ,and pick any calibur and do a print out of each one you fancy, and make a chart .I used several sheets of graph paper for my own .
By doing so now you have more evidence per bullet and considder the cost and availability and you own investment in practice .
Especially a lever gun , needs a lot of practice .
If you are going for a long range round, considder scopability and include and spotting scope with the investment, as well you'll need it .
Bush country does not need a spotting scope or a scope on the weapon, but you do have to learn to move fast with it, almost like a hand gun. the door of oppurtunity is much narrower.
Personally I would not venture into bear country with out at leat a .44 mag but prefiribly a .454 casuall Alaskan.
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Get an AK, its technically not all black
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thank you all for the suggestions. the use i see for the 22 lr is for small game. there is plenty of that. and the only reason my lever is in 3030 is because it is more common and less expensive than 45 70 or 404. and i dont feel like four guns is smart. that limits the amount you can take per gun because i would be carrying more calibers. and i didnt mean people would raid the guy with the black rifle. but the government is more likely to see you as a threat if they catch it at a checkpoint.also i prefer my 243 over the 3030 for accuracy. just recently took an antelope at 200 yards through the neck with it. and the reload isnt that slow with the ammo sleeve on the stock. so that is a factor to weight
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