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Old 07-19-2012, 09:45 PM
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So here's the situation: you're poor and society breaks down. Things are chaotic, but you've survived and you've got sufficient resources for the foreseeable future. Except, you still need to go and trade with others.

So herein lies the question: are you safer or more in danger openly carrying a .22LR rifle? And if you are safer, is that safety worth the added weight?

AR-7
Pros: Collapsible, waterproof, floats, lightweight, cheaper, stock can be wrapped in paracord
Cons: Thinner barrel, no shoulder, no sling, no real place for a bipod, mounting a scope prevents breakdown

10/22
Pros: More durable, can mount a scope, bipod, & shoulder sling, nifty 10rd drum magazine
Cons: Tougher to hide, more expensive, not waterproof

Central to safety, I think, is whether or not displaying a small rifle makes you a larger or smaller target. You're displaying one tool of survival and a means of dissuading a direct attacker.

Likewise, packing a 1 or 2 pound lighter rifle means your pack can contain additional trade goods or survival supplies (food, water, better shelter, additional tools, water purifiers, additional ammo, a compact pistol, etc) while appearing more low-key.
Old 07-19-2012, 10:07 PM
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I think you are better off having a stainless synthetic 10/22. It's reliable and ready to go and replacement parts are everywhere. Maybe the 10/22 takedown if you really want to be able to take a rifle apart

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html
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10/22. They work consistently.
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The AR7 is just not built for long term use. The premise behind it was a short term survival rifle that could be tucked away in it's stock until needed. Too light of construction, too much plastic, it just won't last.

A Marlin P70SS 'Papoose' is a better rifle, better constructed, and takes down to fit in a small bag. It is more money, but not a lot more. It is still very light weight, and thus is not super robust either. I intend to buy one at some point.

The 10/22 'take down' model is new. It is not perfect yet. Wait until this production run is over. You're better off getting another model with a short barrel and a folding stock.

Another option is a Rossi Youth 'Matched Pair'. They're break action, single shot, which is not ideal for everything. However, you can get a 22LR/20ga one. They're robust, 20ga is nothing to laugh at, and they take down easily to be fairly small. I also intend to buy one of these, at some point. The second barrel adds a weight penalty, but I think the stopping power is worth it...
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Ruger charger. 10-22 pistol, still accurate, can still mount optics, but small enough to pack in one piece, grab and go.
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Ar7 I prefer. Take down ruger is Just to big for my needs. As I won't be using a 22gun for defense. Only to feed myself when needed. The ar7 will do fine.
Old 07-20-2012, 06:54 AM
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My experience with the AR7 has never managed to give me a single moment of comfort or confidence in them. Bad magazines, bulky stock, light weight limberness. But yeah, it floats, I guess, anyway everyone says they will. And that single characteristic means, how much?

My 10/22 takedown has never misfired, and several hundred rounds of that with ammo from a mixed jar of many different brands, weights and velocities. I can assemble it in a second, disassemble it in two or three. It rides in a bag, which I can carry on my shoulder or back; open carry, without being in your face visible carry, something that might come in handy one day.

I've added some 32 round mags to the set-up, have braided a paracord single point sling attachment point, and added some other very useful things to the bag, like a KONUS Atomic Red Dot scope, survival stuff and so forth.

And, when it pleases me to do so (yeah, it gets heavier when I do this), the addition of my T/C Encore 15 inch, .22LR handgun (or alternatively, the same gun in .22-250 caliber for those really long shots), with scope. Two guns, one bag, lots of ammo, all resting comfortably over my shoulder, or straped on like a backpack.

And all of that, contrary to the AR7, is very comforting and confidence building.
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I too was looking for a small takedown 22, after careful review it came to me the Ruger 10/22 was the only logical choice.
You can listen to some of the others blow smoke up your rear, however I have proof of my search for a 22 takedown, not just typed words. Sometimes I think that some of the members here are just armchair critics. Sorry if I step on a few toes.
The 10/22 does not need to be in a second run (You don't have to wait)
The AR-7 is to fragile for heavy use.
The 10/22 is really not that much heavier weight wise than the AR-7.
The 10/22 does cost about $80 to $100 dollars more, however it is money well spent.
The 10/22 is quicker to put togeather than the AR-7.
The amount of aftermarket accessories for the 10/22 is unlimited.
Case closed the Ruger wins.



An AR-7 I looked at in Black.



An AR-7 I looked at in Mossy camo.




The gun I bought, it was the hands down winner when compared to other takedowns.
A small patch sewed over the Ruger emblem, would make the 10/22 less obvious.

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What about the Ruger 10/22 compact? Any advantages or disadvantages over the 10/22 Takedown? (Other than not being collapsable, ofc.)
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You decide on its compactness of the takedown with these photos I took for you.
I have no knowledge of the actual 10/22 compact gun however.
The only thing the AR-7 has on the Ruger is the fact that you can store the entire rifle in its buttstock,however it makes the buttstock very fat and funny looking and a little awkward to hold.


Size comparison of the compact and regular 10/22.



Disassembled length.

Disassembled length.







Overall length assembled.

Overall length assembled.
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There not even comparison btw the two. AR7 is a survival rifle. That's exactly it. It fills the shoes of survival. Its not meant to be used like a normal 22. Everyday use. And Henry has fixed almost all the problems with it. The ruger 10/22 take down is exactly What it says. Take down ruger. Same as any 10/22 but separates in two. That's it. Its a everyday rifle. Was made for easy travel and storage. Wasn't made to be a survival rifle line up. The two don't really compare. Like me comparing a life straw to my permanent water filter at home. You can't. Not on the same page. Both are good guns for what they were made for.
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ruger charger. 3 1/2 pounds, 10 inch barrel, 20 inches long, no assembly required. 10/22 reliability.

http://www.ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html
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I bought an Ar-7, tried it, didn't like it ... 12 inch groups at 50 yards would be ok for something with a bit more stopping power, but shot placement for .22 needs to be precise.
I then picked up a 10/22 compact and equipped it with a folding stock. It fits in the ruck, and holds 3 inch groups at 50 yards. Since most of my tree rat shooting is done at 10-20 yards, getting lunch should be no problem
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I swear if the 10/22 had a c@ck 90% of you guys would suck it. I really don't see the obsession with them, there a good 22, but there's of tons of good 22's out there.
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I swear if the 10/22 had a c@ck 90% of you guys would suck it. I really don't see the obsession with them, there a good 22, but there's of tons of good 22's out there.
So what affordable options with common components do you suggest?
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I swear if the 10/22 had a c@ck 90% of you guys would suck it. I really don't see the obsession with them, there a good 22, but there's of tons of good 22's out there.
Yeah, but at least I ain't the other 10%, like you that bends over for his boyfriends
big thick target barrel with fluting.
Do you use gun grease, or just go bare?
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I guess I'll buy a Honda civic because there's so many aftermarket parts.....right give me a f -in break. I suggest everybody get off the damn bandwagon. FYI I take it bare, dry raw dog, why because I can. You can have your 10/22.

Other brands hmmmm Henrey, Remington, mossberg, savage, marlin, H&R .
And they all cost less than your ruger 10/22 take downs.
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I swear if the 10/22 had a c@ck 90% of you guys would suck it. I really don't see the obsession with them, there a good 22, but there's of tons of good 22's out there.
Rofl ... sorry, heh ... Gimme a minute .. eh ... oh.
Yeah, your right, plenty of good .22 rifles out there. Savage model 64 comes to the forefront of my mind for a detachable box magazine 22 that doesnt cost too much and delivers reliable service for the value ... in all respects, superior to the 10/22, but NO AFTERMARKET PARTS.
I'm In love with my first rifle, a single-shot Springfield .22 ... if the target was theoretically possible to hit, I could hit the damn thing, with iron sights.
I could whine about how they dont make 'em like they used to all day, but this thread is about ar-7 vs 10/22, alas.
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I guess I'll buy a Honda civic because there's so many aftermarket parts.....right give me a f -in break. I suggest everybody get off the damn bandwagon. FYI I take it bare, dry raw dog, why because I can. You can have your 10/22.

Other brands hmmmm Henrey, Remington, mossberg, savage, marlin, H&R .
And they all cost less than your ruger 10/22 take downs.
Henry, too pricey ... although I do like brass.
Remington ... someone help me out here, I dont have enough practical experience with one of these ...
Mossberg ... stick to shotguns, countless generations of unborn gun enthusiasts will thank you.
Savage ... Is there a single kind of firearm that you guys can make that doesnt show up your competitors? c'mon, you make everyone else look incompetant!
Marlin ... Got an early production model 60, love it, one of the most accurate pieces I own.
H&R ... I have this as a nine-shot revolver ... good for executing livestock ... does H&R make rifles?
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All things considered, for a .22LR, I'm still at a loss. The Ruger 10/22 is pretty pricey though. I'd prefer a reasonably cheap and accurate .22LR that can mount a low-power scope.

Now back to the original question: do you think you'd be less of a target by openly carrying a .22LR or by concealing your rifle? Are takedown rifles worth the loss of accuracy or higher expense?

One other random question. If one was to raise rabbits for meat, would subsonic .22LR be too powerful at close range? I remember seeing a video where a guy was using an air rifle from close-range.
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