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Old 09-03-2008, 07:18 PM
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i was wondering if we are allowed to hike deep into the mountains or land
that is public and build a cabin and live there i want to spend the rest of my life in the woods i thaught of just hikeing into the woods and never come out
i checked the bearu of land management web site but i dont no where else to look. i live in california if that matters, i hike in pretty deep where i go and never seen anyone past the halfway point any suggestions or comments would help thank you
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Ya know... somewhere in my legal memory ...vague.... I remember if you can squat on public land for 20 years it is yours (and 12 years on private land.) Don't hold me to it, but I do know the courts have through case law settled such issues.

This link doesn't say but it a place to start the research. The US is on the bottom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting
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Isn't that what Proenneke did? Although I'm not sure laws that now support environmentalism over humanity would allow it...
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Isn't that what Proenneke did? Although I'm not sure laws that now support environmentalism over humanity would allow it...
It's*not an issue of environmentalism at all. The legal concept is (on private land) that if the owner didn't not find you and object he/she lost the right to object and at some point the squatter becomes a homesteader who deserves to stay. Ditto government land except it is more not kicking someone out of a long established home rather than the government not noticing.
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you actually can live on and make a living on public land. the hmestead act has expired, however mining claims as long as the are recorded and worked every year are legal squatting so to speak. you do not own the land but you canstay on it and work it for mineral production.

http://www.agiweb.org/gap/legis106/tpg_mining.html
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You might be able to use a "Claim of Right"
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The legal concept is (on private land) that if the owner didn't not find you and object he/she lost the right to object and at some point the squatter becomes a homesteader who deserves to stay.
I'm pretty sure the squatter has to pay all the taxes on the land during that period or it means nothing.
No idea on public land.
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You can live in a national forest, provided you do not build a cabin and do not get caught very often. There is a 14 day stay limit, so you can either not get caught or move camp every two weeks. Winter would not be a problem for you so the need for a cabin would be minimal aside from comfort issues.

Hunting and fishing is allowed so food is not an issue. No taxes, no job, no car, pure freedom at the cost of comfort.

I plan to do this myself eventually unless I can get money for a small piece of land on which to build a cabin, but I spend all my money on gear so I do not see that happening. Next year I will quit my job and spend 4 months in the woods so we will see how that goes first.

Cabin living can be done for about $5,000 if you are good. This means you buy the land and build the cabin yourself. The trouble is that it would be unlikely that you would have a vast forest around you, something which I consider as essential as water.

It is good to hear someone interested in this; something all too rare.
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Ya know... somewhere in my legal memory ...vague.... I remember if you can squat on public land for 20 years it is yours (and 12 years on private land.) Don't hold me to it, but I do know the courts have through case law settled such issues.

This link doesn't say but it a place to start the research. The US is on the bottom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting
That sounds fun! I need to find a backcorner of someone's land and squat on it for 12 years.... then go up to the front... and be like... oh yea, that backcorner, it's now mine!
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i was wondering if we are allowed to hike deep into the mountains or land
that is public and build a cabin and live there i want to spend the rest of my life in the woods i thaught of just hikeing into the woods and never come out
i checked the bearu of land management web site but i dont no where else to look. i live in california if that matters, i hike in pretty deep where i go and never seen anyone past the halfway point any suggestions or comments would help thank you
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in my state you have to move your campsite every 4 weeks, but i have met ppl who had campers in the national forrest that would move maybe 100 yrds every 4 weeks. he did live out there. but in no way can you just cut trees down and make a cabin.
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Is public land, and they allow you to live on it, 2wks at a time, then you have to
move 20 miles and set up again. I have thought of this, two semi permanent sites, and move every 2 weeks. I figure after a while they will get tired of telling
me to move on. Mind games with the gooberment. I think it will begin next spring. Good post.

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thanks for this info and will up-date on my finds
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Is public land, and they allow you to live on it, 2wks at a time, then you have to
move 20 miles and set up again. I have thought of this, two semi permanent sites, and move every 2 weeks. I figure after a while they will get tired of telling
me to move on. Mind games with the gooberment. I think it will begin next spring. Good post.

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worse case scenario is if they find some sort of permanence and then u get arrested for trespassing
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worse case scenario is if they find some sort of permanence and then u get arrested for trespassing
Even worse, they find your gun.
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