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Old 05-21-2012, 03:26 PM
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Looking for opinions on the Springfield Armory M1A scout squad or socom 16 and a Remington 700 SPS stainless 308 soon to wear a H-S Precision stock and 20 inch Shillen barrel for a SHTF option, i got the Remmy but was looking at the M1A for my MBR and due to ammo consolidation i was looking to get another 308. Is this practical or should i be looking at the mini 14 or some AR or AK. I have heard good reviews on these but was looking for some input on here before made a decision, any input from owners on what they like and dislike would be appreciated
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I've shot the AR, owned and AK but sold it to buy an m1a.


its the best out of the 3 in my opinion.

the m1a is crazy accurate and hard hitting. good for hunting or SHTF

some vid's of me shooting at milk jugs at 250 yards.

the 2 white dots in the road are milk jugs. you can't really see them in one of the vid's

Shooting with irons...
I pulled the first shot :-/


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Old 05-21-2012, 04:07 PM
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I don't really dislike anything about the m1a. The AR has more accessories but big whoop.

the weight is a little more that modern rifles, but that is a non-issue to me :-/
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I don't really dislike anything about the m1a. The AR has more accessories but big whoop.

the weight is a little more that modern rifles, but that is a non-issue to me :-/
Yeah im pretty much sold on it, i was considering a mini 14 for weight, ammo cost, stainless and such but every time i see a 16 or 18 inch barreled M1A i start to think it would make a great SHTF tool for me, it just sucks to think every mag will cost me 20 bucks to feed, but then again eliminating another round to stock does sound good. I would hate to stock pile 223 only to have my mini for it and nothing else although it would be cheaper. Decisions decisions
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No experience with Socom or Scout, but the Standard is a great rifle. Very accurate.

Springfield just makes good firearms, their 1911 is another good one.
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I have a loaded M1A and a M1A Scout Squad. Both are insane accurate, reliable and just damn fine rifles. I looked at both the 16" and the 18" and went with the 18", it just seemed right to me. I think the 16" would also be awesome, but then, I'm a big fan of the rifles.
I also have a selection of AR's but I gravitate to the M1A. You will never regret owning this rifle.
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Yeah im pretty much sold on it, i was considering a mini 14 for weight, ammo cost, stainless and such but every time i see a 16 or 18 inch barreled M1A i start to think it would make a great SHTF tool for me, it just sucks to think every mag will cost me 20 bucks to feed, but then again eliminating another round to stock does sound good. I would hate to stock pile 223 only to have my mini for it and nothing else although it would be cheaper. Decisions decisions
it depends, you can sometimes find good deals on .308 . . .

Back when I first got my m1a I got about 4 boxes of surplus Pakistani ammo for about 8 dollars a box.

it shot really well . . . It was the first type of ammo I shot the milk jug at 250 yards with . . . But it made me feel like a Benedict Arnold shooting something that came from Pakistan :-/
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my three gun kit is a g22 (.40), a mossy 500, and an M1A. i chose these three for reliability and accuracy. i currently have two of each, my goal is ten of each. that way i can consolidate my ammo, and have spare parts just in case. thats my thinking anyway.

i chose the M1A specificaly for its accuracy and dual purpose nature. its both an excellent deffensive weapon, and a great hunter. and the ammo, while a bit pricey, is good for reloading, and fairly common.
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my three gun kit is a g22 (.40), a mossy 500, and an M1A. i chose these three for reliability and accuracy. i currently have two of each, my goal is ten of each. that way i can consolidate my ammo, and have spare parts just in case. thats my thinking anyway.

i chose the M1A specificaly for its accuracy and dual purpose nature. its both an excellent deffensive weapon, and a great hunter. and the ammo, while a bit pricey, is good for reloading, and fairly common.
Um if you are loaded I guess you could get 10. I would think that 2 or 3 each would be plenty unless you are outfitting your entire family. Just with the M1As that would be around $15,000.00. Mossberg 500 around $2,500.00. G22 around $4,000.00. That is over $20,000.00 just for guns. You then need to get food, ammo, etc. Now if you are going to put scopes, scope mounts, night sights, magazines, or anything else extra on them you are probably looking at closer to $30,000.00.

If I were you I would get 2 of each, a .22LR rifle of some sort, and then get food, ammo and other things. Then once you finally have everything you need you can start getting more.
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i drive an old truck and live in a trailer (im working on building a cabin) im far from loaded, i just choose to spend my money diferently than most people. i have food and water and filters and lots of other stuff. im an electrician, i bartered my services for two of those M's before they were kewl. my three gun kit is not the only guns i have, and yes, i am preparing to be able to arm others.

my thinking may be flawed, but please dont presume that ive neglected to prep in other ways besides guns.
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I don't mean to presume that you have neglected other preps. My only point was that if spent $5,000.00 to $10,000.00 in guns/ammo/mags you could spent the other $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 for food or other things. That much money would probably have you set for the rest of your life with Mountain House type food in case of an emergency.

Since you are going to arm others I would recommend that you arm your closest people to you the same. For example if you have a wife/husband/kids whatever. If it is distant family I would get something less expensive for at least the rifle.

One other very important thing to consider about arming others is that not everyone may like the M1A/Mossberg 500/Glock 22. They may like other things. I am betting that arming these people would be in an emergency, and that if push comes to shove they are going to shoot whatever they have no matter what it is. So I would arm the more distant less likely family with Mosin Nagants or SKS's since they are far less expensive.

Once again this is only my opinion and I am just trying to help. I personally have settled on the M14, but the Mrs. does not like it because it is too heavy.
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I don't mean to presume that you have neglected other preps. My only point was that if spent $5,000.00 to $10,000.00 in guns/ammo/mags you could spent the other $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 for food or other things. That much money would probably have you set for the rest of your life with Mountain House type food in case of an emergency.

Since you are going to arm others I would recommend that you arm your closest people to you the same. For example if you have a wife/husband/kids whatever. If it is distant family I would get something less expensive for at least the rifle.

One other very important thing to consider about arming others is that not everyone may like the M1A/Mossberg 500/Glock 22. They may like other things. I am betting that arming these people would be in an emergency, and that if push comes to shove they are going to shoot whatever they have no matter what it is. So I would arm the more distant less likely family with Mosin Nagants or SKS's since they are far less expensive.

Once again this is only my opinion and I am just trying to help. I personally have settled on the M14, but the Mrs. does not like it because it is too heavy.
you and fattires comments got me thinking.. what if SAI stopped making M1a's I wonder how much the price would go up . . . .


I know If I had to barter their is no way I would trade and get rid of my m1a


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i have 2 ar ,16 and 20 and a sks, but the m1a is my fav
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M1A is my choice also, I recommend the 18" scout squad as a very handy size, next would be the standard barrel or national match, The Socom is nice but unless you think CQB will be its primary use I think you will be better served by one of the other two.
No MBR has sights as good as the M1A, and I believe it to be the most accurate as well.
The M1A may be a little too heavy for most women.... The mini 14, or M4 are considerably lighter and "handier" than the M1A.
Oh ...be prepared for heart attack prices on magazines tho... but skip the cheapies and get the good ones you won't be sorry.
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My main reason for picking a Standard 22" over a Socom 16" is because of the gas plug. If I am not mistaken Springfield Armory had to modify the gas system on the Socom to get it to work properly. What that means to me more than anything is SOME of the parts will not interchange. That is the main reason for having two of the same gun IMO.

BTW I currently have a SAI Standard 22" and a Fulton Armory/USGI/Sadlak/LRB/SEI 18.5" Scout. Man that is a mouthful.
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Which parts would those be?
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Which parts would those be?
I'm by far an expert, but I think it has to do with the gas system. I know that SEI sells a different gas plug for the Socom than they do for the Standard/Scout.

I have read both that they are the same, and that they are different. Most would say that they are different. Like I said I am no pro, but that is where the difference is "supposed" to be.
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Nothing wrong with your thought process, but be aware that heavier bullets and slow burning powders risk op rod issues in the M1A (Schuster gas plug will help this)
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I know that SEI sells a different gas plug for the Socom than they do for the Standard/Scout.
SEI Gas Plug: SOCOM and Scout...


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SOCOM-16 Gas Plug for SOCOM-16 and M1A Scout Rifles
This newly designed gas plug made by Smith Enterprise Inc is a drop-in replacement for the factory gas plug on the SOCOM16 rifle and other short barreled M1A models with 16-18" barrels such as the 18" Scout model. This gas plug is hollowed out to provide much greater volume for gas coming into the operating system. This noticeably softens the recoil and lowers wear on operating parts while improving reliability in these short rifles. It also has a new outer design which is both functional and good looking. It is another great way to maximize the performance of your SOCOM 16 or M1A Scout and to customize its look as well. It provides reliable performance in these short barreled rifles either with or without a sound suppressor. This part is made by SEI of 17-4 Stainless Steel which is machined to exacting tolerances and double heat treated for durability under extreme use. It has an extremely durable and good looking Salt Bath Nitride matte black finish.


This part works well with all M1A gas lock designs such as the Springfield Armory factory gas locks, the SEI SOCOM-16 Threaded Gas Locks or the SEI M1A/M14 Gas Locks.
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The first time I picked up my M1A Scout Squad I knew we were made to be together. At least to me the balance is perfect and it hit where I told it to from the first shot.

Having said that, I also have spent some trigger time with the FN SCAR17. If I could afford one, I'd own one.
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