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Old 05-10-2012, 07:00 AM
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whats the difference? Is it just the dual rate spring and interchangeable back grips? I am looking to get anther one had a g19 miss it. But i would be changing the firing pin and recoil springs to the titanium ones. So should i just get the cheaper gen 3?
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Gen 4 uses the double-coil recoil spring assembly (RSA) and does, as you mention, have the interchangeable backstraps. There are some minor differences in the slides between the Gen 1-3 and the Gen 4.

I like the Gen 4, but the Gen 3 is tough to beat. It's cheaper and well-tested, not to mention there are a lot of after-market options out there. Were it me, I'd probably just buy the Gen 3, altho I'm a Gen 2 guy for the most part. But nice Gen 2 G19s aren't easy to find.

As a Glock Armorer, I would advise against changing your RSA to an after-market one. I have seen quite a few folks have issues with reliability once they played with the spring rate. Stay as close to stock weight on the spring weight as possible if you insist on an after-market RSA.

BTW, the G19 is one of my favorites! Good luck!
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:24 AM
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oops it would be Heavy Tungsten Guide Rod with factory spring. I don't want to change the spring rate at all. do the changes to the slides make a big difference? Can I get a duel rate spring for the gen 3?
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The Gen 4 slide will not interchange with the previous models. No major changes. Functionally they are the same, but the Gen 4 accomodates the dual recoil spring assy.

Yes, there are aftermarket dual-coil spring assemblies for the Gen 1-3, like the EFK in the link below. I really can't recommend anything but stock when it comes to RSAs. I have seen too many that created functioning issues.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=7...for-GLOCK-reg-
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KISS principle.

Get a Gen 3, less parts.

Specify what sights you want (standard are those plastic nipples) you can choose from full steel sights and tritium night sights.

More options?

Then I buy a 1911.
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have a kimber 1911 hate it (pro carry 2 with laser grips) has feed problems, have to have a stupid tool to break it down....
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The Gen 4 slide will not interchange with the previous models. No major changes. Functionally they are the same, but the Gen 4 accomodates the dual recoil spring assy.

Yes, there are aftermarket dual-coil spring assemblies for the Gen 1-3, like the EFK in the link below. I really can't recommend anything but stock when it comes to RSAs. I have seen too many that created functioning issues.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=7...for-GLOCK-reg-

So I should just upgrade the rod guide to stainless or tungsten..I will keep the stock spring weight don't want to change that.
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So I should just upgrade the rod guide to stainless or tungsten..I will keep the stock spring weight don't want to change that.
What is your issue with the stock RSA? Honestly, that is what it's going to be most reliable with.
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Gen 4 uses the double-coil recoil spring assembly (RSA) and does, as you mention, have the interchangeable backstraps. There are some minor differences in the slides between the Gen 1-3 and the Gen 4.

I like the Gen 4, but the Gen 3 is tough to beat. It's cheaper and well-tested, not to mention there are a lot of after-market options out there. Were it me, I'd probably just buy the Gen 3, altho I'm a Gen 2 guy for the most part. But nice Gen 2 G19s aren't easy to find.

As a Glock Armorer, I would advise against changing your RSA to an after-market one. I have seen quite a few folks have issues with reliability once they played with the spring rate. Stay as close to stock weight on the spring weight as possible if you insist on an after-market RSA.

BTW, the G19 is one of my favorites! Good luck!
anything special about the gen 2?
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I just picked up my first Gen 4. (Model 26, also my first stock 9mm). It has a larger mag release than my Gen 3 Model 27. I also noticed that the grip walls are thinner on the sides than my Gen 3. For some reason, it seems to be a little harder to break down than my Gen 3's (I have bought Gen 3's for almost all of my sons and the Gen 4 will go to my son-in-law eventually.) It was also a little harder to put back together as the new spring will slip down sometimes during reassembly.
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Even on the Gen 4, I find that a piece of inner-tube, turned inside out, on the grips, greatly enhances performance. You can buy commercial ones but they are a lot more expensive than a 2.75 bike tube from Wally World.


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anything special about the gen 2?
Gen 2 doesn't have finger grooves and has no light rail. Just the way I like it!
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Gen 4 has had a recall and a increase in manufactureing issues (being a marked up in numbers although still within industry numbers). Gen 2 which I love mine for the same reason as Paladin, had more problems then the Gen 3 which seems to hold the prize for reliability when it comes to Glock. Glock has down played the issues, but frankly the numbers are high enough to worry in most cases just check the recalls and you should be good to go with Gen2 & 3, as for 4 I still hesitate with the increase in issues, but still seem to be a good pistol.
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I stick with the Gen 3 Glocks myself. They are truly proven while the Gen 4's have yet to earn that reputation. Even with the "impovements" of the Gen 4 series I still prefer the Gen 3 models due to the simplicity. In this test, these guys fired 1,000 rounds in less than 15 minutes in a Gen 3 Glock 19. By the end, the recoil spring guide was melted but the gun still fired. Spare Gen 3 recoil spring assemblies only cost a few bucks anyway.


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It might seem minor but all the improvments the Gen 4 has the one I have the biggest problem (actually the only one) is the new checkering on the grip. I just find it very uncomfortable. My mother added a rubber grip to avoid it tearing up her hands.
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I'll stay with my gen 3's,17,19,26.....Sold my 27 and bought a Sig in .223 for my collection.
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I just bought a 4th gen G23 today to go along with the 3rd gen G22 I've had for a while. Cant wait to take it to the range to see if there's a notable difference in the recoil. The 23 is the ideal size for me for CCW and if it proves reliable after a few range trips, it'll replace my HK as a new EDC gun.
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I carried a gen2 23 with trijicon night sights for years and loved it. I picked up the gen4 23 at a gun show and loved the feel even more. I added the night sights to feel at home again but also found i didnt like the trigger. It felt like there was a bump or something, so i had the trigger spring and connector changed and feels great. I also had to sand a small area of the trigger guard as it rubbed on my middle finger.

My roommate had a gen3 19 and i really liked it so bought a gen4 19 and the thing had issues with rounds not ejecting or seating right so leaving the slide open after about 10+ rounds, then went to every round. Sent out to glock and they fixed but cases are still flying out at different angles but seems to not be ok other than that.

All that said, i do love my gen4 23 but had to put money into a new gun and the other was a timely, costly, repair to a new gun so id say feel both and if you can handle the fatter grip, id get the gen 2 or 3. Avoid the possibility of a gen 4 issue.
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yeah the more i read about the gen 4's i think i will just stay with gens 3's for now
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I have a gen 4 19 and have yet to have an issue with it. It's been a perfect firearm
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