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Old 04-27-2012, 11:57 PM
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im thinking about going out into the forest for awhile to train and practice survival skills.

the problem im running into is, i need something lightweight that i can bring to boil my water and cook in.

would a steel coffee can be enough? i imagine it would work, but just thought id see if anyone might know anything im not thinking of.

any ideas/opinions would be appreciated.

thanks
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You could make a 3 lb coffee can work, but it will not last very long. Titanium stuff is very light and doesn't rust but cost a lot. Stainless is heavier but cheaper. I have a WWII stainless canteen cup that fit on the bottom of the 1 qt canteen. Wide mouth easy to clean, not really good for frying but ok for stews.
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A coffee can will do fine. I used a gatorade bottle and coffee can setup for a while. If I remember right, #10 soup cans nest rather well around liter gatorade bottles (might be wrong on the can name). I made a pot bail with some picture wire that worked pretty nicely.
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Now, I recall reading, decades ago, that Back In The Day, when somebody joined
the RCMP, they had to pass a Wilderness Survival test where they got dumped in
the Canadian wilderness with next to nothing and were expected to survive for 2
weeks, or something like that.

Anyway, one of the next-to-nothings they were provided with was a paper bag, and
they were supposed to be able to boil water in it.
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I've looked into the titanium ones, they look pretty nice. i mostly need it for purifying water and boiling things like crayfish or stews. but making water safe to drink is the main thing i need it for. Id rather not use the water purifying tablets unless it was an emergency.
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These canteen kits are my favorite. Easy to carry, you can boil water in the stainless steel cup, and store it in the canteen.
http://www.dougsoutdoors.com/gi-cant...kit-olive-drab
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Now, I recall reading, decades ago, that Back In The Day, when somebody joined
the RCMP, they had to pass a Wilderness Survival test where they got dumped in
the Canadian wilderness with next to nothing and were expected to survive for 2
weeks, or something like that.

Anyway, one of the next-to-nothings they were provided with was a paper bag, and
they were supposed to be able to boil water in it.
Ive seen that les stroud guy boil in plastic bottles, but thats the first ive heard of using a paper bag. maybe he waxed it with animal fat first.
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http://www.ehow.com/how_6736015_boil...paper-bag.html
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simple chemistry at work with the paper bag water boiling. the water in the bag keeps it from igniting while the heat keeps the water from seeping through.
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I prefer the titanium stuff but I recently grabbed one of these... pretty good little pot for the price.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Stanley-Ad...k-Set/16784406
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I might get one of these...it's a matched set with a 1L stainless bottle that nests inside a cup. 1L is good b/c it's the size most treatment pills are designed for. And you can boil in either the cup or the bottle. At $35 for the set, it's not a bad deal for the convenience. Pathfinder has some other accessories for it, like a pot stand that wraps around the bottle so you can cook with it.
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You can also get a spring-type fish grabber, the kind that goes inside the mouth and expands to hold it, to make a bail for the bottle. That way you don't have to drill holes in it, trust a wire bail to stay tight on the neck, etc.

Here's Dave C. doing a review of it.

ETA - Just bought one! Along with the stove, two mora knives, a diamond sharpener!



There are lots of videos on youtube showing how to boil water in a plastic bottle. You just fill it all the way to the top so there's no air inside. The water absorbs the heat that would have melted the bottle, so the plastic stays fine. Just be careful opening it.
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I have a small kelly kettle, about 2 mugs worth of hot water in about 6 minutes using twigs I picked up.

http://www.kellykettleusa.com/
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These canteen kits are my favorite. Easy to carry, you can boil water in the stainless steel cup, and store it in the canteen.
http://www.dougsoutdoors.com/gi-cant...kit-olive-drab
^-- I have one those these setups - works pretty well.



I prefer this set:

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The bottle holds more, and is clear. Wide mouth is easier to fill. Cup can boil and be used to eat. Stove is sturdy and folds flat. And the whole thing is more "civilian" looking.

-- Also, toss in some purification tabs in there as well. Its all self-contained and straps on to pack.

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im thinking about going out into the forest for awhile to train and practice survival skills.

the problem im running into is, i need something lightweight that i can bring to boil my water and cook in.

would a steel coffee can be enough? i imagine it would work, but just thought id see if anyone might know anything im not thinking of.

any ideas/opinions would be appreciated.

thanks

one of the best military surplus items most ppl use

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If you are practicing survival skills then I would say have something like the above items for a backup and try the plastic bottles and paper bag tricks.

Just a thought :-)

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Go to Junkyard, pick out Nice Stainless Steel Hubcap of appropriate size.
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im thinking about going out into the forest for awhile to train and practice survival skills.

the problem im running into is, i need something lightweight that i can bring to boil my water and cook in.

would a steel coffee can be enough? i imagine it would work, but just thought id see if anyone might know anything im not thinking of.

any ideas/opinions would be appreciated.

thanks
A stainless steel can/canteen would be ideal.

If you're going to buy something, as suggested, surplus is great to begin with.
A canteen cup set-up would be a good cost effective way to start out with.

When you're ready to pick up a nice set-up, Dave C's
kit is nice and Rob's CanteenShop kits are awesome:
http://canteenshop.com/


My personal set-up will be as follows...
In my pack:
Nalgene Canteen
Canteen Stove
Canteen Cup
Canteen Top

Mobile Kit:
Nalgene Canteen
Canteen Stove
Canteen Cup
Canteen Top
MOLLE Pouch
Duct Tape
1st Aid Kit
H20 Tablets
$5. Multi-Tool
SuperKnife
Paracord Strap
3 mil contractor bag
6-in-1 Whistle (compass, match case, mirror, magnifier, etc...)

With the mobile kit, worst case scenario, I'd be able to purify water, cook and carry basic survival bits.
In either case, I'd have a MiO Energy Enhancer with me because while I like fresh clean water, a little
flavor is a luxury that will go a long way in contributing to my psychological state-of-mind and keeping
it strong (not to mention that it is packed with vitamins which will make me less dependent on nature
for subsistence and I won't have to eat bugs if I can help it! LOL It'll keep me content for about 2 months.
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I might get one of these...it's a matched set with a 1L stainless bottle that nests inside a cup. 1L is good b/c it's the size most treatment pills are designed for. And you can boil in either the cup or the bottle. At $35 for the set, it's not a bad deal for the convenience. Pathfinder has some other accessories for it, like a pot stand that wraps around the bottle so you can cook with it.
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http://stores.thepathfinderschoolllc...oz./Detail.bok

You can also get a spring-type fish grabber, the kind that goes inside the mouth and expands to hold it, to make a bail for the bottle. That way you don't have to drill holes in it, trust a wire bail to stay tight on the neck, etc.

Here's Dave C. doing a review of it.

There are lots of videos on youtube showing how to boil water in a plastic bottle. You just fill it all the way to the top so there's no air inside. The water absorbs the heat that would have melted the bottle, so the plastic stays fine. Just be careful opening it.

I'm definitely picking up that set-up for sure.
Well thought out system. I like it a lot.



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Amazon.com: Maxpedition 10"x 4" Nalgene Bottle Holder Khaki: Sports & Outdoors

The bottle holds more, and is clear. Wide mouth is easier to fill. Cup can boil and be used to eat. Stove is sturdy and folds flat. And the whole thing is more "civilian" looking.

-- Also, toss in some purification tabs in there as well. Its all self-contained and straps on to pack.

I've been eyeballing that same set-up myself.
Especially that Maxpedition Carrier.

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^^^That cup grevlin was talking about that fits perfectly around the bottom of a nalgene is perfect. I took one on a 2 week backpacking trip and it weighed very little, didn't take up any space, and was perfect for making personal sized freezer bag meals and hot chocolate
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For me, there are no commercially made SS canteens to do what I want.

I made my requirements based on what *I* go through on a 10 mile hike in near 100 degree weather (since that seems to always be when I do them)

I will blow through a gallon of water a day camping and hiking in that heat. I carry a 5 qt collapsible canteen right now. The problem if that it has very old water bladder designs, that leak after a season. That and I'd be afraid to boil water in it.

http://olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_canteen_5qt.php

What I really want, is to have a stainless steel container, that the cover for the above 5qt canteen goes over really well.

Of course, nothing of the sort exists....I have to make one.
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