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Old 04-24-2012, 10:55 AM
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Looking at buying a Daniel Defense complete upper, so who makes a decent lower receiver of somewhat equal value?

The upper receiver I am looking at is the Daniel Defense AR-15 DDXV.

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Currently I own a Bushmaster AR that was made during the so called "assault rifle ban". A lot of the parts are not up to current specs and it does not have a flash hider. For what I need it for, its a good rifle.

I would like a rifle that is with the current trends, mil-spec, high quality parts, and something that will not give me any problems.

Some of the brand names I was looking at:

Bravo Company
Spikes
DS Arms
Or maybe even a whole Daniel Defense rifle.

I hate to admit this, but I even considered buying a colt lower (shudder), and putting a Daniel Defense upper on it.

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PSAs go for $80, Spikes lowers can be bought for $100. Remember this is before shipping and FFL fees. Both Mil-Spec and both reputable manufactures.
Old 04-24-2012, 11:18 AM
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PSAs go for $80, Spikes lowers can be bought for $100.
That is for a complete lower assembly?

I want something ready to go, where I can put the upper receiver on it and go shooting.
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That is for a complete lower assembly?
no, that's for a stripped lower. Just the "frame" if you will.


Internal components, the "lower parts kit" normally runs about 60 and up.

The Lower parts kit also normally don't include buffer tube, Buffer - Spring and butt stock.

To assemble a lower from a spikes, Something I did last week, cost me in total about 300. But that was not picking the cheapest parts.
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That is for a complete lower assembly?

I want something ready to go, where I can put the upper receiver on it and go shooting.
Thought you were looking for just a stripped lower, not a complete one.
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I really like my Spike's lower receiver, it was $85 or $89 bucks. It was a stripped down one, though you can order the parts relatively cheaply. I went through Palmetto State Armory for my lower build kit. You can get all the parts you need for a lower build for under $50 if you order them separately or you can get a lower build kit, that comes with everything, and pay a bit more.

I got my lower from AIM Surplus and that's where I got my upper as well. If you want to buy a complete lower, well you're spending a bit more...

The cost of the lower and parts will really come down to which parts you select. For instance if the "stock" AR-15/M16/M4 look is your goal, it will be fairly cheap. If you want to achieve the "tacticool" look you are going to be spending a lot more.
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Priced at $285... I can build one for less than that.

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But in hindsight, the OP did just want to attach the upper and go...
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Out of stock, does me no good.
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Out of stock, does me no good.
You're going to run into that even if you go the route of a stripped lower receiver. They go fast and I recommend buying some extra ones when you have a chance.

If the laws change it will only be the lowers that will be impossible to get...
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What about a DS Arms AR-15 lower?

http://www.dsarms.com/Model-ZM4-Comp...nfo/ZM4RCAR-A/
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I've not heard about them before, but if you built one yourself you can get below that amount. You would also be getting better parts - IMHO.

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On second thought I say go for it, it meets your wants and needs.
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These are the folks who really cut and make most of the Lower AR15 Receivers on the market and the gunbuilders they make them for.
Not all, but most.

LMT = LMT, Lauer(old), DS Arms, PWA, Eagle, Knights Armament, Barrett, Bushmaster (?)
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske (old), Century (current), Global Tactical, CLE, S&W, MGI (1st batch), Wilson Tactical, (some?) Colt, Ratworx
LAR = Grizzly, Bushmaster (L Prefix), Ameetech, (?)DPMS, CMMG, Double Star, Fulton, Spike's Tactical, Noveske (new)
MMS = Mega, Gunsmoke, Dalphon, POF (forged), Alexander Arms, Stinger, Spike's Tactical(old)
JVP = Double Star, LRB
Olympic = Olypmic, SGW, Tromix, Palmetto, Dalphon, Frankford, (old) Century
Superior = Superior Arms, Lauer (current)
Grenadier Precision
Sabre Defence (?)

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Kev,

I'm a huge fan of the Stag. I got complete rifles from them. They machine the lowers and uppers from the same block. There is ZERO play between the two. The trigger in the lower is awesome. Its nice light trigger with a great break. There is no play in the trigger (well unless you get the 2 stage model).
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These are the folks who really cut and make most of the Lower AR15 Receivers on the market and the gunbuilders they make them for.
Not all, but most.

LMT = LMT, Lauer(old), DS Arms, PWA, Eagle, Knights Armament, Barrett, Bushmaster (?)
Any real world experience with LMT?
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Any real world experience with LMT?
Yes. LMT is good to go.

My recommendations would be to
- Buy the complete DD rifle.
- Track down a BCM, Colt, or LMT complete lower
- Buy the quality stripped lower of your choice and put a high quality parts kit in it.

EDIT: G&R may be out of stock on the blem BCM lowers but I think they have complete BCM rifles in stock if you haven't already bought the DD upper. They just aren't listed on the website and you will need to email them. Either way, DD or BCM, I don't think you can go wrong.
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Buy a brand name lower recognized by the masses.
Will be worth more down the line if you ever decide to sell it.
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Yes. LMT is good to go.

My recommendations would be to
- Buy the complete DD rifle.
- Track down a BCM, Colt, or LMT complete lower
- Buy the quality stripped lower of your choice and put a high quality parts kit in it.
Thank you.

This is what I am thinking about doing:
  • Buy a Daniel Defense DDXV A3 complete upper
  • Buy the DS Arms complete lower
  • Replace the parts on the lower over a period of time

I thought about buying a complete DD rifle, but everywhere I look is out of stock. Even the place I found the upper at is out of stock, but they say a shipment is supposed to be coming in in the next couple of days.

What I "really" want is a plain jane mid length rifle. I do not even want a rail system on it because I will be going with magpul parts.

The majority of the Daniel Defense uppers I found have a rail on it, which jacks up the price. The rail is going to be pulled off and thrown in a box.

I would be happy with a complete DD upper assembly minus the forearm grip. That way I can put the stock I want on it and nothing goes to waste.

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http://www.pkfirearms.com/Daniel_Def...m_Uppers/156/c

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Daniel Defense Mid-Length 16 inch .625 Lightweight - Upper

Daniel Defense 16 inch Mid Length Hammer Forged Lightweight profile Barrel with .625 diameter front sight journal and M4 ramped extension. Manufactured from ordnance-grade 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium alloy steel for exceptional strength, and magnetic particle inspected (MPI) to ensure there are no internal flaws in the metal.
$560, and the site says its in stock.
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Buy a brand name lower recognized by the masses.
Will be worth more down the line if you ever decide to sell it.
No it wont. Id rather cater to myself and own a superior rifle than to cater to Jim Bob Ignorant and have a weaon I wouldn't trust my life with. You will get your money back on a quality rifle.
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Thank you.

I thought about buying a complete DD rifle, but everywhere I look is out of stock. Even the place I found the upper at is out of stock, but they say a shipment is supposed to be coming in in the next couple of days.

Well you'd have an extra stock if you change it but here is the complete XV midlength (not the lw) in stock and ready to ship.

http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=sho...roduct_id=2680

I've dealt with Rainier in the past; order with confidence.

Also while the standards are out, BCM has their slightly more expensive BFH model middy uppers (with the hammer forged barrels) in stock in both m4 profile and lw models.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-B...16lw%20bfh.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-B...d-16%20bfh.htm
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