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So, for many many years I have been a huge fan of the Magnesium block fire starter. I am very good with them, and have even lit fire while it was raining with damp tinder using them.

What I would do is make a fire TeePee, with an opening. Then I would shave the magnesium onto a leaf or bit of bark or whatever and slide that into the opening. The I would place the lightest easiest to ignite stuff in contact with it, and let the sparks fly. It's always worked, never failed.

Last summer, I had a guy teach me how to make a friction fire. I can get a coal in like 20 seconds with cedar. However, i still have a lot of trouble foraging for the right wood, and making the kit with materials I found in the woods.

Today, I took a Strike Force with me and made a very interesting discovery (that really should have been quite obvious).

My attempt at a friction fire was a failure. However, I still had a really nice tinder bundle, and I hated to waste it. It did not use magnesium, or any man made tinder. I just put straight spark into the tinder bundle, and gently blew it to flame as if I had made a coal with a bow drill.

I am sure most of the old hands out there would not think much of this, as it really is no big deal. however, i thought it was the coolest thing. I just never thought to try making a fire without magnesium before.

I mean, they give you this block, that is like 98% Magnesium, and 2% fero rod. That mix always made me feel that the spark alone was not enough, or they would have given you more ferro rod, to use as your primary, and less magnesium to use as a back up.

So anyway, I am a Happy pyrotecnic hiker today, and I thought I would share!
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Mg burns at around 2200 C which should indicate that it is used for lighting difficult tinder (wet, irregular shapes, small volume, high wind)

Use the ferro rod UNTIL you have a reason to use Mg. Ferrocerium burns at around 180 C

Much of the decision depends on what you have available for tinder.
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I carry a BIC lighter and a Blastmatch. I have Magnesium Sticks in my supplies tough.
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I carry a BIC lighter and a Blastmatch. I have Magnesium Sticks in my supplies tough.
Blast match is the same thing as a Strike Force, only more simple to use.

One of the things I used today was the paper from some sort of Birch tree. It's really thin, and goes up like nothing. I always used it in my fires before. However, I always lit the magnesium, and used THAT to ignite the bark paper.

Making an actual tinder bundle traps the sparks, and makes the magic happen. The way I did it before I just kind of threw sparks at the opening of the TeePee and hoped that enough would go in to get the magnesium going.

Now, using a tinder bundle, it was one strike and I had fire! it was actually faster than the magnesium! That shocked the hell out of me.
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I find that if you are gentle with the ferro rod, you can shave it like the Mg block as well when you are having problems starting fires. Then just spark on the shavings just like the Mg.
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ferro rod for me! does magnesium accelerate your blade rust if you use your knife?
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ferro rod for me! does magnesium accelerate your blade rust if you use your knife?
I don't think so. I have never had any issues and I use a Ka Bar. That is 1095 High carbon steel. If there was an issue, I am sure I would have discovered it by now.
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I find that if you are gentle with the ferro rod, you can shave it like the Mg block as well when you are having problems starting fires. Then just spark on the shavings just like the Mg.
Now that is a good thing to know! Thanks!
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I'm a "plan ahead" kind of guy and shaved an entire mag-bar down and put it in a large pill bottle. After all of that work, I wondered if you could just BUY mag shavings or powder instead?
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I'm a "plan ahead" kind of guy and shaved an entire mag-bar down and put it in a large pill bottle. After all of that work, I wondered if you could just BUY mag shavings or powder instead?

I "think'' i saw mag shavings on ebay
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I'm a "plan ahead" kind of guy and shaved an entire mag-bar down and put it in a large pill bottle. After all of that work, I wondered if you could just BUY mag shavings or powder instead?
Just enter "magnesium shavings for sale" into your favorite Internet search engine.
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Some of the best "tinder" you can take into the woods is cotton balls with petroleum jelly on them.
Even the slightest spark will get them lit.
Put ten or twelve cotton balls in a ziploc bag, a couple spoon fulls of petroleum jelly and squish it all around. The petroleum will only be on the outside of the cotton ball. Pull the cotton ball apart a little bit, and stick the end of your ferro rod down on it and strike. Easiest way to start a fire without a lighter.
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I'm a "plan ahead" kind of guy and shaved an entire mag-bar down and put it in a large pill bottle. After all of that work, I wondered if you could just BUY mag shavings or powder instead?
I like to carry my mag block right on my knife sheath. Every knife I own, has an extra pocket sewn onto it for that. Keeping it in block form keeps it small, and compact.
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I'm a "plan ahead" kind of guy and shaved an entire mag-bar down and put it in a large pill bottle. After all of that work, I wondered if you could just BUY mag shavings or powder instead?
Yeah, me too. I put a Doans block in my vice and used a rasp file to shave off a decent pile and put it in a small jewelry baggie because it's hard to shave a decent pile with a knife when your hands are freezing cold.
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A neat trick shown to my by a fella was with a ring he would wear. He'd pull the ring off, set it on his tinder bundle, and sprinkle the mag shavings inside the ring to keep the wind from blowing them away. He'd strike his fire and as soon as it was going he would remove the ring from the fire, with a stick. He said he figured this out on a windy day, but did it the first time with a hollowed out plastic bottle cap.

I asked, "doesn't your wife freak out when you do that to your wedding ring?"

His reply was, "One, I ain't married and two, its just a half-inch tall stainless steel spacer I picked up at the hardware store. I figured I might as well get one to fit my finger so I wouldn't lose it."

I felt like an idiot....

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i like that idea
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Some of the best "tinder" you can take into the woods is cotton balls with petroleum jelly on them.
Even the slightest spark will get them lit.
Put ten or twelve cotton balls in a ziploc bag, a couple spoon fulls of petroleum jelly and squish it all around. The petroleum will only be on the outside of the cotton ball. Pull the cotton ball apart a little bit, and stick the end of your ferro rod down on it and strike. Easiest way to start a fire without a lighter.
I EDC cotton balls half dipped in wax and the other side soaked with petroleum jelly, I can usually get them started with one or two strikes of my magnesium fire striker (also EDC). If I need extra heat to get damp fire starter going, I shave off some of the magnesium.
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I salvage a bunch of magnesium engine covers/wheels ect off bikes/atvs, some of those burn better than others shaved, I test and separate out the ones that burn better, then i chuck em up in the vise on the mill, put it in auto and let it shave. ( I have put a apron under the table to catch the errant curls that fall. I must have about 20 lbs of shavings bagged, so i dont cut em up often but have plenty.

Ive used the ring trick before except i use a lil bit larger 1.5" ring keep it on my knife kit, small shackle will do the trick as well. all depends how much magnesium you have available

I used to use the block type mag units with the striker on em, but they got to the point where they wouldn't lite, (think they were simply pot metal after a while). that's when i started salvaging my own.....
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I keep a mag rod, but hardly ever use it. The bars , I don't care much for. Gobspark.com is the way to go. I use the Armageddon, for years. Haven't personally used one that throws sparks like theirs.
As many have pointed out, their are a lot of alternatives to magnesium, and with a Gobspark, you only need them in wet conditions. When it's dry, there's tinder Everywhere. I start collecting it the Minute my feet hit the woods.

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I EDC cotton balls half dipped in wax and the other side soaked with petroleum jelly, I can usually get them started with one or two strikes of my magnesium fire striker (also EDC). If I need extra heat to get damp fire starter going, I shave off some of the magnesium.

Another option is make up removers ,and paraffin wax. You can liquefy the paraffin in a small tin can and let the make up remover lap up the wax. You can easily store them in a altoids tin, with a mini bic or small striker .You can secure it with a ranger band ,to keep it closed tight.Each one can be cut in four pieces , and light an average fire.You can always us 2 or3 in wet conditions.
And you don't get PJ ,all over your self handling it.
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