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Old 03-16-2012, 05:55 PM
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I've just about decided to get a light for my ar, was wondering what size (lumens) most people have on there ar's.
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I had a 150 lumen surefire on mine,

We ran some drills where the opposing sides were equally trained and even matched. And the team that didn't use lights won everytime. The light is an advantag when it's pointed directly at your target, any other time, the opposition can use it as a dead giveaway for where you are.

I took if off after that.
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their a disavantage(visable light), going up aginst a trained force. but their sure good for seein in the dark the rest of the time. And I can turn mine on and off.


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I had a 150 lumen surefire on mine,

We ran some drills where the opposing sides were equally trained and even matched. And the team that didn't use lights won everytime. The light is an advantag when it's pointed directly at your target, any other time, the opposition can use it as a dead giveaway for where you are.

I took if off after that.
In open it will give you away, close up it will blind your foe


I like surefire
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I have three of these Surefire M900A 225 lumen lights. For me, a fore end light doesn't get any better.

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In open it will give you away, close up it will blind your foe


I like surefire
If it's pointed at him. Even in a close space, say you entering a door and Me being inside a dark room, if the light is not ON me, it's always going to give away your location.

You have to hit me twice, Once with the light, once with the shot. I only have to shoot for the light.

It surprised the hell out of all of us, we were pretty convinced that having a light was the best option. But we ran these drills for an entire morning 4-5 hours.

The team with the lights, lost almost every single engagement.
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If it's pointed at him. Even in a close space, say you entering a door and Me being inside a dark room, if the light is not ON me, it's always going to give away your location.

You have to hit me twice, Once with the light, once with the shot. I only have to shoot for the light.

It surprised the hell out of all of us, we were pretty convinced that having a light was the best option. But we ran these drills for an entire morning 4-5 hours.

The team with the lights, lost almost every single engagement.
I can see that happening for trained individuals. For untrained individuals vs. a gun with a light...I think I still like the gun with a light. I just hope I don't have to go against anybody with training.

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Old 03-20-2012, 04:43 AM
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The point of the light is so you don't shoot friendlies in the night, if you use your AR for HD and live with others, a light is must, weather it gives you position away or not, same goes for any gun for HD use. In a tactical situation everyone is bad, there is no reason to light them up first, but how often is that going to happen, real life you have friendlies, and enemies in most cases. I have a E2D defender mounted on my AR gives off plenty of light in most size rooms.
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The little Insight M3s are not bad (90 lumens). It is especially nice how easily they are to take on and off the weapon. They are about $75. In pics I have seen a lot of the GIs overseas seem to have these mounted, so they must be fairly durable.

For about $100, you can get a Streamlight TLR-1 (160 lumens). The Surefires are nice too, but pretty expensive.
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The little Insight M3s are not bad (90 lumens). It is especially nice how easily they are to take on and off the weapon. They are about $75. In pics I have seen a lot of the GIs overseas seem to have these mounted, so they must be fairly durable.

For about $100, you can get a Streamlight TLR-1 (160 lumens). The Surefires are nice too, but pretty expensive.
+1 on the M3 and M3x. The M3x comes with a 125 lumen bulb. They attach great to the 6 o'clock rail on modern handguns. You can bump the on/off lever with your weakside index finger.
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If you get a Streamlight TLR3 (LED), you can put it on any weapon you own that has a rail. Get some small rail sections to screw onto your old fashioned wood stock rifles if you want.
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Im running surefires on my lighted weapons
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There are pros and cons with having weapon lights, but I like them.

I have a light on my HD pistol, my AR, and my HD shotgun. Not only do they provide light and have the potential to blind/disorient a BG, they provide a means to positively ID your target.

That last one was what put me on the side of a weaponlight. I have a wife, and five kids of varying ages. If someone broke into my house there is a good chance that the sound of it, or the dog barking at it, would wake one or more up. If they're awake, they can be up and around.
I want to know where any rounds I let loose are going, for sure...
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I've just about decided to get a light for my ar, was wondering what size (lumens) most people have on there ar's.
I run a Surefire M300A. It is rated at 110 lumens, but based on other lights I have with known outputs, I would put it closer to 150-170 lumens OTF. Nearly 100% of this is in the hotspot, and it "throws" just as far as my Malkoff M61W does. Tint is about 6K. With the F04 diffuser, it works great for lighting a room up without so much "bounce" coming back off shiny wall panels, etc. LED is not going ot care about recoil, though my M4 has precious little.

Other lights I have had: M600C, XM971, numerous Nailbender modules from 325-550+ lumens, almost every module Gene Malkoff has made as a production item for the 6P flashlight, M3X, X300.

Out of all of it, the M300A is my choice. I sacrifice spill for equal throw to my 250 OTF lumen lights while getting good run-time on only 1 battery and conserving rail space/allowing me more options for mounting locations.

Mount is in a LaRue QD, using the clicky tail-cap.

I used to be a total lumen whore, but after taking this light out in a field and comparing it to my others, it has equal throw to lights that are running at 1.2A using the latest LED's (XP-G). Considering it only needs 1 batter and gets great run-time, It was a no-brainer for me. Surefire's TIR optic is the bomb. Keep in mind if you decided to go with this, though, that the spill is VERY MINIMAL. That's how you get that throw. 85% of what I guess are 150-170 lumens make up the hot-spot. Nothing is free.

*If you have an M600C, imagine it with VERY LITTLE spill, and that is the M300A. The M600C might out-throw it a tiny bit, but we are talking 5 yards or so.

I would also like to add, some people will debate whether a light is an asset or a liability--instead, think of it as a tool. You can choose whether or not to use this tool, but only if you have it. For shooting some animal at night, it's really nice. For confronting an individual, each situation is different, use your best judgement. I prefer QD mounts so that I can use my light as a hand-held if I feel the need. Value added.
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Lights are useful and I do have them on all my "go to" guns, but you can't just slap one on and call it good, you need to seek out instruction on how to use them correctly, then train with them so they don't lead to your demise. I'm not saying attend a high dollar class, there is plenty of good info out there for free.
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Lights are useful and I do have them on all my "go to" guns, but you can't just slap one on and call it good, you need to seek out instruction on how to use them correctly, then train with them so they don't lead to your demise. I'm not saying attend a high dollar class, there is plenty of good info out there for free.
Might be worth what you paid for it, but this is a start.
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I use at least 150 lumen lights, but prefer at least 200 lumens

Mossberg 590 - 200 lumens

AR-15 - 150 lumens
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I have a mount I can put my Surefire G2 in.

I find the Surefire can be used as offensively in places where carry is illegal (Illinois) or overseas (DOD/DOS).

Blind em and stab em...
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The little Insight M3s are not bad (90 lumens). It is especially nice how easily they are to take on and off the weapon. They are about $75. In pics I have seen a lot of the GIs overseas seem to have these mounted, so they must be fairly durable.

For about $100, you can get a Streamlight TLR-1 (160 lumens). The Surefires are nice too, but pretty expensive.
Yep.
I have (3) TLR1s Streamlights.
For a hundred bucks, I've never had a single problem with any of them.
I like Surefire better, but not the cost.
The Streamlights work just fine for my needs.
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I use at least 150 lumen lights, but prefer at least 200 lumens

Mossberg 590 - 200 lumens

AR-15 - 150 lumens
how is that holding up on your Mossberg 590, and what forearm and mount are you using ?
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