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Old 03-16-2012, 07:54 AM
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I'm trying to decide what caliber to buy my next rifle in. I know I am going with a bolt gun, either Remington, Savage or Weatherby. I am looking for a fairly common round (read: cheap) but still powerfull enough to take down elk. I've heard that 30-06 is plenty powerfull for elk, but 270 win is better for long range shots. Any advice would be welcome.
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Many Elk and Moose have been killed with a 270. A 270 is simply a 30-06 case necked down to hold .277 dia bullets. A good quality bullet in the right place will kill nearly anything in N. America, you really can't go wrong with either rifle.

This one will come down to what you find for what price and personnal prefference.
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what i like about the .270 is that you can hand load down to 90 gr. and up to 150 gr bullets.

30-06 will take a heavier bullet but that is rarely needed even for elk 150 gr is sufficient with good placement
i am prejudiced though as i have longer field shots when hunting here.
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So in short, .270 will do what I need it to do, and at a longer range than 30-06?
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So in short, .270 will do what I need it to do, and at a longer range than 30-06?
It shoots a flatter trajectory and as was said; is plenty enough.

Have a look at Browning, too.
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I have never hunted elk, but I have killed over 100 deer and NUMEROUS hogs with a 270 Win, and I am now hunting with a 30-06 and have killed 4 deer with it so far.

Like has been said, either will work for elk with the right bullet.
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I guess I lean towards a .270, if you want a good elk bullet Nosler makes a 160 grain partition, or they did until recently. The first rifle I ever bought was a pre-64 model 70 Winchester in 30-06 which I would never sell, love the gun. Have a couple of .270 rifles and it seems if I take a long hike during season I grab one of these, more for the reason that I can use it short or long range and it is easy to shoot and carry. I don't think any animal shot with one knows the difference. That said, I have two friends that got rid of a 30-06 and one a .308 to buy a .270. I think the thought of flat shooting rifles, or the misconception, was what convinced them. In reality, I think the recoil was easier in the .270 and they needed an excuse.
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Look at the 7mm Mag. you get a wide variety of bullet weights and can shoot yotes up to elk with it. For non Magnum I'd go 308 for the same reason.
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I have a 7mag and I would vote against it. Ammo is way to high. About $50 a box. I would say 30-06 for the cheapest ammo and bulk buys. .308 is the way to go IMO.
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I love my .270, but I'm sure either would do the job
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As far as downrange on game...

There's not a nickels worth of difference between a 270, 7mm Mag and a 30-06

A 270 does shoot the lighter bullets a whole lot more accurately than a 30-06

You will find that the 130gr loading is just as potent on elk as the 150 or 160gr bullet selections, just the 2 latter bullets will get a little better penetration.

A 30-06 does shoot up to 220gr bullets

Buy what you like though! Both will do the job for you, no doubt

The biggest advantage the 270 has is lighter recoil, it's a sweet shooter
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I have one of each and they are both very good at what they do. I do prefer my .270 chambered rifle most of the time, it was my first bolt rifle, but I have also wanted a .30-06 for the longest time so I got one of them too.
Once I get the -06 sighted in it will be used with as much regularity as my others.
I am, for one thing, much more confident with my .270 as I have used it more than any of the others. Once I become proficient with the -06 it'll be tough to decide which one to take with me.
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I have killed virtually every type of big game in the lower 48 with a .270. Black bear, moose, elk, deer...

I don't believe it's flatter shooting at longer ranges than a 30.06 or .308 if all have a 150 gr bullet. I use nothing but the 130 gr psp bullet and it is definitely faster.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the three I just mentioned. They all have good range and all will kill.

I do like the lighter kick of the .270/130 gr. I think some people are less likely to flinch and miss, but put any of those bullets where they belong and the animal is going down.

So much worse in the flinching for some people for the magnums...
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In all honesty, the .30-06 is a better all-around cartridge, the greatest variety of bullets available, loads, etc. It also has more energy at longer ranges than the .270.
that being said however, it kicks harder, is louder, and the ammo costs a little more. I greatly prefer the .270, notice the user name. The .270 has enough variety of bullets and energy available to do whatever I want it to do, and at less expense and less recoil and noise and drama than the .30-06. It shoots flatter, and more accurately, than it's parent cartridge. I've killed many elk and deer and antelope with it with no problems. Hope to get drawn for moose someday, and will take it for that with no worries.
I'd look at the Savage and Browning rifles. Maybe a nice older used Remington, if you can find one. I'm not impressed with the newer Remingtons. Hard to find a better, more accurate rifle than the Savage for the money, or any money for that matter.
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Either will do what you want however I would recommend trying to shoot both before making your choice. I personally like the 30-06 myself for several reasons. For some reason the felt recoil on a .270 feel sharper to me for some reason and I flat out do not shoot as well with a .270 as I do the 06. Also for practice it is easier to get bulk 06 ammo over .270. I know several people that flat out swear by the .270 and it is a good serviceable cartridge it is just not my cup of tea.
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.270 vs .30-06 w/ 150 gr. bullets...

-.270 has more energy at 300+ yards.
-both have same point of impact (same bullet drop) at every distance up to 500 yards, any differences are like 1/10th of an inch or so.
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Virtually all hunting ammo costs roughly the same amount to make.

The more popular ones are cheaper due to volume and no need to retool becuase those machine keeping chugging along making their most populat stuff.

Go to almost anywhere you buying hunting ammo.

Basic no frills hunting ammo

.30-30 $15-17

.308 or .30-06 $17-20

Everything else $25+

I went with 30-30 becuase of this. I wouldn't hunt elk with .30-30. Elk is huge pile of muscle for a bullet to go through. Shooting a deer with a bullet is like cutting butter versus elk.

Using premium bonded bullets that control expansion on tough animals like elk cost less with .30-06 and .308.

You don't reload?????? The most popular calibers offer much much more selection on ammo.

IF you reload, ignore any of this. Get the gun you want. It don't matter, all of it's pretty cheap.

My hunting gun of choice. The .450 marlin. I say hit them with a plow truck. Hunt with enough gun you an comfortably shoot. New shooters have enough trouble handling a shotgun with a mild trap load or even a .30-30.

No need to not include .308 either.

The base model weatherbys are ok, anything above that is just paying too much.

I love my remington firearms. They just seem to have a slow downhill roll on their quality.

Savage, they make a good gun. I only have a savage 22lr rifle right now. I had a 110 savage in .30-06 and .243. Loved them both. Regret getting rid of them. I crutch my regrets by buying new guns........

Tikka T3 light is another good choice to look at.

The real trick to a good hunting package is the scope,rings, and base. I'd skimp on the gun well before I'd skimp on the way to aim it.

Cheapest way to get a good scope. Burris fullfield II. Cheapest way to get a really good scope, Ziess conquest. A low end scope from a well known brand is that, a low end scope. Leupold scopes, start with VX-3 for good glass. Bushnell, atleast 3200 series. Really need a scope for $100 or less, like for a rimfire, Nikon prostaff. I'd still save a few bucks more for that burris.

You may need to make a 300 yard shot one day. I'd wait to see if it come closer. I'd actually pass on it, I'd much rather guarantee a clean shot when I see him the next time at 200 yards or less. However, you're going to make a 30 yard shot on deer. Buy a 6-24x scope, you'll get lost trying to find him with that tunnel scope. 3-9x max. Leave it on 3x, turn it up when you need to. Look at the field of view at 100 yards, then keep in mind at 30 yards it's a 1/3 of that. Your not seeing a "X" foot wide TV screen, your seeing a "X" foot wide circle. So 40 feet at 100 yards, your only seeing 30 feet at 100 yards decently.

The first three things I look at with scopes. Field of view at 100 yards, the eye relief range, and how easy you can see the crosshairs. The wider the eye relif range, the quicker you will see the scopes "picture" fast. Same goes with the crosshairs. Especially in low light.
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Some of us hunt the wide open sage where 400 yard shots aren't unusual. This sage and/or bunch grass is all over the West. E. Wash, E. Oregon., E. Calif, Nevada, Utah, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, W. Colorado, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico... What did I miss?

The animals are wild boar, Mule Deer, Blacktail Deer, Rocky Mountain Elk, Roosevelt Elk, Antelope, Black Bear, Bighorn Sheep, Mountain Goats and whatever else I can't remember.

A long range rifle is a must.

I find no difference in price for ammo in .270, 30-06 and .308. A local chain discount store just had them on sale, your choice, $17.99 Remington PSP.
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Cheapest way to get a good scope. Burris fullfield II.when you need to.
That's a really decent scope, but I prefer the Nikon Buckmaster for about the same money. Nikon did something smart - they made the scope a little longer. It's always easier to make a longer scope than a shorter one, and it shows in the clarity and field of view IMHO. The Leupold Vari XII is in that price range too.
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Use a good bullet from any of the above calibers, the elk won't be able to tell the difference.
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