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Old 03-03-2012, 10:10 AM
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Looking for a smaller caliber rifle.

I currently own a 30-06 and a 9mm XDm compact I need something that falls in between. I also own a pump action 12ga, but unfortunately it's sitting in the house I grew up in PA. Eventually I will get it down here.

I was thinking of purchasing a Hi-Point 9mm carbine, Calico 9mm, or something else in that category. I would buy one just for the sharing ammo effect with the sidearm. So would I be better off buying the 9mm carbine for sharing ammo or the .22LR for cheaper ammo?
Old 03-03-2012, 10:17 AM
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well a .22 i think everyone should own one - ammo is plentiful and cheap


on the other hand i too am currently looking at 9mm carbines - wanna get the keltec for ease of use, cleaning and it will match my glock 17 mags



good luck in whatever you choose and be safe/have fun
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22 and buy your ammo by the case instead of by the box.
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Why not both?

You can score a used semi-auto or bolt .22 for well under a $100 bill used, so get a .22 and a 995, 'cuz those 995's are only about $250 new.........

Melikes your ideas on redundancy, good stuff!
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i like the idea of a 9mm rifle so i only have to buy one type of ammo
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If you don't already have a .22 then I suggest you get one. They're great for inexpensive practice which builds critical marksmanship skills. They're perfect for small game hunting too. A 9mm carbine is a niche weapon that doesn't offer a whole lot of versatility.
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A good .22 rifle is a "must have" in my opinion. The rifle will serve in many, if not all, applications. Ammo is cheap and light.
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I would opt for the .22 LR. It is good at what it does: plinking and taking small game. The 9mm isn't really optimal for much of anything in a rifle configuration. I humbly suggest that you might be better off saving money from that and putting it toward a more fearsome rifle. I think that 9mm carbine would be fun and handy as it shares pistol ammo, but I couldn't come up with a reasonable use-case.
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I have two .22LRs (Marlin Model 80 and Walther G22) and a Hi-Point 995TS carbine. I *just* got the Marlin and Hi-Point and haven't shot them yet, but since I also have .22 and 9mm handguns, I wanted to have the option of sharing ammo between rifles and pistols. The 995TS is unfortunately limited to 10- or 15-round magazines, but for the price, there's a lot of room for optional equipment.

I like the look of the Calico carbine, but I think it's a little too unique; mags are expensive and not all that common. I considered the Kel-Tec SUB2000 because of magazine availability, but I couldn't find one for sale locally or at shows, and don't own any of the guns it can share mags with anyway. So, Hi-Point it is!

How about a 995TS and a Ruger 10/22? Some people hate the Ruger, some love it, but they are everywhere . . . and so are parts and mags. You could have both guns for under $500 if you bought brand new.
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I humbly suggest that you might be better off saving money from that and putting it toward a more fearsome rifle.
I do own a 30-06 bolt action. By fearsome are you refering to a semi-automatic rifle instead of a bolt action because as far a fearsome rifle the 30-06 is no joke.
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I have two .22LRs (Marlin Model 80 and Walther G22) and a Hi-Point 995TS carbine. I *just* got the Marlin and Hi-Point and haven't shot them yet, but since I also have .22 and 9mm handguns, I wanted to have the option of sharing ammo between rifles and pistols. The 995TS is unfortunately limited to 10- or 15-round magazines, but for the price, there's a lot of room for optional equipment.


How about a 995TS and a Ruger 10/22? Some people hate the Ruger, some love it, but they are everywhere . . . and so are parts and mags. You could have both guns for under $500 if you bought brand new.
Thanks for the feedback. I've looked into and shot the Ruger 10/22 and the Marlin 60 and I like the Marlin a little better. Really to me it's like debating Ford vs. Chevy.

Hi-point was what I was leaning towards for your exact reasons. Although I like the option of 50 round mag in the Calico Liberty.
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My carbine preference is for a firearm chambered in a carbine round such as .30-30, .223, .357 Magnum, 7.62x39mm, et. al. So given your two choices and current state of firearm collection I'd go with a good .22 rifle. Either the Marlin or Ruger would suffice.
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22lr by far.

You need a rifle to small game hunt with. During the last depression, big game was decimated. There was fish and small game. Unemployed folks turned into professional poachers. Trading wild game for other things they needed.

Who knows, you might have to do the same thing. 22lr makes alot less noise than anything else that fires a bullet. Bolt actions are even quieter. With longer barrels and no escaping gas from the action cycling.

Fearsome rifle......... I think he saying a semi-automatic. I would get that soon, incase they get banned again. If they do, it won't be for 10 years....... Many ones to choose from. I have an AK, and AR15, and several SKS rifles. I'd recommend any of them. They make good hunting rifles too. The AR with a scope makes a great coyote gun, if your interested in saving pelts. If not, hit em hard. I shoot coyotes with .450 marlin. It's like shooting a squirrel with a .30-30...

I'd pass on pistol carbine rifles. If you must, I'd go for 45acp or 40 S&W. 45acp has a heavier bullet which helps offset the low power of a handgun round. 40 S&W is the fastest common handgun bullet out there for semi-auto cartridges. It help make up the gap between the handgun and rifle round a bit.

If going for a rifle that shoots a handgun cartridge, the rimmed rounds have much better offerings. I have absolutely no reservations about hunting deer with a 44 mag rifle. After that 45 long colt, then 357 magnum. However, these are somewat specialty rifles. I'd still go for a rifle round. Any of these rounds makes going past 100 yards tough. The 9mm drops like a rock after 75 yards and so does the 45acp.
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Yeah, definitely the .22. Everyone should have one.
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I'm going to chime in with a .22LR here too. Both the firearm and ammo are relatively inexpensive, relatively lightwieght and make for good marksmanship training. If you have any doubt about the effectiveness of a .22 then you don't have enough experience with them.

They WILL take down a deer. I've done it. Three weeks ago or so we harvested a full sized beef cow. One shot at about 30 feet with a .22LR to the head. Instant and humane kill.

As MikeK posted above, the 9mm carbine is just a niche market thing. Effective? Probably but I would take the .22 hands down before a 9mm carbine.
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If its one or the other...then the 22 rim fire rifle hands down is the winner of this contest. I couldn't articulate the reasons for that opinion better than MikeK did although brief its straight t the point! Besides, everyone's collection should involve at least one rim fire gun of one flavor or another. Not having one is just pure and simple heresy.
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Either or go with the 9. But there's no reason you can't own both.
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Hi-point was what I was leaning towards for your exact reasons. Although I like the option of 50 round mag in the Calico Liberty.
List price for the 50rd Calico 9mm mags is $131, and if you want to get a speed loader, that's $67 list. So, definitely include that in your budget. That does obviously give you the benefit of pretty considerable ammo capacity, but others have already stated the drawbacks of 9mm compared to "real" rifle rounds, so it's a compromise.

I bought the Hi-Point 995TS for a combination of plinking and home defense, with the latter in a complementary role alongside a 9mm handgun, as I have no other realistic use for a higher-powered rifle. In your case, you already have a rifle, so I guess you'd have to consider your own situation, specifically whether you're going to have much opportunity to hunt small game in the first place and/or if a carbine is a practical defensive weapon where you live.
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When considering Marlin .22LR's is the built in mag or detachable mag better? Anyone know if one is more prone to misfiring, jamming, etc?
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there's a long waiting list some dealers say for the kel-tec. good carbine though a nephew has one he's accessorizing. mags swap w/his S&W
+P loads have some 'whack' to them also
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