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Old 02-24-2012, 07:34 AM
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Question AR-15... 101 The Basics



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Ok here's the Question or Questions for you all.

Assume your a new Gun/weapon first time Buyer.

Maybe your a say a 18-21 year old Male or Female looking to obtain a Gun/Weapon for defense, sport , or whatever and have never owned a Gun/Weapon before (IE: your Family didn't believe in owning guns Ect or you grew up in a City Environment never been out shooting, were never in the Military)

So your heart is Set on owning your very own Ar-15 (we'll leave all the other weapons/guns out of this for now We're only talking about a Ar-15 5.56 mm Weapon/gun here)

So you standing at the counter of your local Gun dealer (Sporting goods Retailer, Pawn Shop, or other store)

How do you Identify the Best Deal (you've got a salesman/rep trying to sell you on this model or that model they've got on sale or whatever)

So lets assume just the Basics here.
Setting aside all the add-ons /value added bolt on features for right now!

How do you identify the best. Barrel, bolt, upper and lower receivers, Barrel Twists and other basic features?

(Remember this is your Striped down Bare bones AR -15 were looking at the base model not what scope /laser sight it has slapped on to sell it)

How would you Identity a barrel that's not going to need replacing or fail after putting only a mere 1000 rounds down it.

How would you Identity the best lower receiver for the gun/weapon ?

what are the Best Standard Features to look for?

Remember we're talking about only the Ar-15/M16 Model here in a Standard 5.56 cal version (no 7.62 .22 .40 Ect )

what would you identify as Go/ No Go Parts and How do you Identify them?

how would they know what was a good thing or a Bad thing.
How do they get (excuse the Pun) the best Bang for their Buck!

we can assume they plan on owning and using this Gun/Weapon for years in fact it might be the only one they ever own or buy.

so what's your take on the best barrel. bolt, buffer/spring, gas tube, trigger, Barrel Twist, and Ect.?

what are the Basic's one needs to know and look for?

Class Version 102 can expand on Scopes/sights, Grips, Rails and other bolt on features.
Here we're only talking a basic Gun/weapon with iron sights.


Or am i just being stupid for asking these questions?
I've seen/noticed a lot of these asked and they always seem to end up as discussions of this Cal vers that cal weapon/gun or this addon feature vers that addon.

so this is everyone's chance!

Teach Everyone the Basic's here.

Break it down go step by step assume little or no knowledge of the subject.

Your the Professor here.....So teach us all (I'm sure I've still got a lot to learn even after 14 years in the U.S. Army playing with Uncle's version of this Weapon)



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Old 02-24-2012, 08:00 AM
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For a first AR, I'd tell someone to just get a Colt SP6920 for about $1K. Wal-Mart sells them now.

The Colt has the features I'd recommend: tested bolt, properly staked gas key and buffer tube, quality fire control group, 1/7 twist, non-heavy barrel, 5.56 chamber & chrome lined.

If you end up not liking the AR platform, the Colt will be the easiest to sell.
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If you've never owned a firearm before, start hanging around people who do. Join a club or a range and look for a mentor...particularly one who will let you shoot their stuff for the price of ammunition and a decent lunch.

Price is really less about what the market commands vs. what you are comfortable pulling out of your pocket. You can get a lot of AR for $1100 and under but you might find that the one that you like best is above or well below that amount.
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Ok great info so far. But what about a medicore price range for someone like me? Would have around 450 to spend.(tax return, If a firefighter check comes in more like 700)
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http://www.del-ton.com/Rifle_Kit_p/rkt103.htm

http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_Carbin...p/rfth16-0.htm
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Nice. Now noob question I have seen that AR's are 5.56 but some mentioned they are .223 as well?
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This is a long read, but it is broken down into the different aspects of the weapon. (Barrel, sights, gas key staking, feed ramps, etc.)

I may not agree with all of his opinions, but it is a very thorough write up on what to look for to get a quality weapon.

http://forums.officer.com/showthread...y-an-AR-15-huh

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Holy info batman. Nice link.
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Ok great info so far. But what about a medicore price range for someone like me? Would have around 450 to spend.(tax return, If a firefighter check comes in more like 700)
In that price range you will not find any acceptable AR15 rifles, look into an AK or SKS.
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This is a long read, but it is broken down into the different aspects of the weapon. (Barrel, sights, gas key staking, feed ramps, etc.)

I may not agree with all of his opinions, but it is a very thorough write up on what to look for to get a quality weapon.

http://forums.officer.com/showthread...y-an-AR-15-huh

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Wow that was interesting

Kinda Bad too if you follow that thread
it started me looking for the Missing Chart in his Info
It lead me around to Several other sites Google and Ar-15 being 2 of them
and then to the Site of the Guy who made the Chart and it's in some sort of fight right now <shakes head> too bad too as it's a good chart I found a copy of the old one and he was currently making/updating a New one 2012
Maybe he will get it done.


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Nice. Now noob question I have seen that AR's are 5.56 but some mentioned they are .223 as well?
5.56 chambers will fire .223 and 5.56, .223 chambers are not rated for 5.56 according to SAAMI specs.

It is marked on the barrel as to what type of chamber it is.

5.56 NATO or .223 REM
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Have you considered a Ruger mini 14?
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Hands down. Colt 6720. Best deal I know of is from www.GRTactical.com

If you're a noob. I'd suggest a little bit of free reading material. Much, much more info than from any book you can buy about the platform.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7009

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=56063
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Buy the following and youre good to go. Screw the rest

Colt
Bravo Company
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Daniel Defense
Noveske
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Least expensive AR on the market that I know of is a Palmetto State Armory for $599. It's definitely a quality weapon even in comparison to some ARs that run considerably higher in price. It DOES NOT come with a rear sight, so minimum of about $40 added to that. After shipping and transfer fee, that's going to barely squeak by at that $700 maximum price.
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if your heart is set on getting an AR... get out of the gun shop and go join the Army or Marines so you can figure out the hard they aren't that special.
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if your heart is set on getting an AR... get out of the gun shop and go join the Army or Marines so you can figure out the hard they aren't that special.
Not to mention that it's a horrible choice for a first gun.
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Actually I disagree, the AR is a great first gun. Low recoil, accurate, cheapish ammo, lots of options to make the ultimate varmint shooter, range plinker, or war fighting rifle. A person can easily learn the fundamentals of shooting on the rifle...in fact any Marine who had never had firearms experience before did! The platform is a very good one. I would take an m16 into combat any day...oh wait that is part of my job description I'm an 0311! Almost forgot...

No seriously though, I really do love the m16/4 and AR15 platform. It is a solid performer. If I could make some changes to the platforms mil spec standards I would, but those changes would be just nickel plating the bcg, hammer, and trigger, kns anti-walk pins and ergo grips. For the USMC for our M4's we would also rock SOPMOD stocks. Why the Navy pogs get to have them and us grunts don't is beyond me.
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