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Hi all. The K9 thread made me think about the possibility of getting a good ratter. Adult cats cannot generally kill adult rats. So a dog is the way to go.

My girlfriend has a female golden retriever from hunting (not pet) lines that stalks and kills rats in her barn. This dog is also the sweetest thing you've ever met and is a certified service dog that visits people in hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

I'm not a fan of most terrier breeds, but ratting is one of the tasks that many of them were bred to do.

Do folks here have any recommendations for good ratters? I want a dog that also gets along with the other dogs and horses and is trainable and respects people. Many terriers are very pugnacious...not a trait I appreciate, but a solid ratter would be a valuable commodity if SHTF.

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Do I have to say Jack Russels. They will hunt rats out, and have actually seen them kill full grown coons by themselves.
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Do I have to say Jack Russels. They will hunt rats out, and have actually seen them kill full grown coons by themselves.
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Well it'sa shame you don't like terriers they where bred to do just that, lol almost all terriers got there start ratting, and it spiraled from there.

A large tom cat would destroy rats the problem is keeping them hungry enough to wanna do it which is where most people go wrong, the feed em till their lazy and wonder why their fat cat won't chase a rat.

Being that you want a dog however and a shtf dog, I reccomend a game bred pitbul because they are when raised properly dog friendly and will chase not only rats but other small furrys that may just feed you. They are however and iv said this 30 times on this forum alone, the worst possible dog for protection, especially when raised properly. If you can put the time in a game bred american pitbull terrier is right where id go. None of the big bulky monstrocities but a lean mean varmint killing machine.

Oh and on a side note I you live with your girlfriend or have other dogs, get the opposite sex and that will help curb alot of the aggression issues
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The best thing for you to do is to go down to your local rescue center and have a word with them. Most of the ones here in the UK try to match owner with dog, rather then pick the ideal dog out of a line up.

All terriers will catch rats, and my cats have too. Those bred specificially for ratting are the small terriers such as the Cairn, West Highland White, Yorkshire, Northfolk, Norwich.

All the breeds do have their pros and cons but if you have children you will need to be careful, depending on the age of the child. I dont recommend dogs with a child under the age of 6, just to protect the dog rather then the child and most centers wont rehome when a child is under a certain age in the house.

You really need to sit down and thoroughly research the breed, but heres the best website Iv found from the USA which allows you to enter in your requirements and it comes up with a list of suitable breeds for your needs, you just then pick out the small terriers out of it. If you click on the name it brings up the data sheet on the dog showing temperament, health, problems etc:

My Cairn X has caught a rat, and if you watched most terriers playing youd see how they are a great killing machine by chucking and throttling the vermin until its dead.

Do remember that a dog needs love, care, training, feeding, vet bills, over holiday care, their own space, and to be treated with respect. All dogs work better through love and kindness then slaps, kicks and ill treatment. I highly recommend Victoria Stillwells work, Im afraid Cesear Millans is NOT loved here in the UK, we dont agree with his techniques of frightening, hissing at, nor kicking dogs.
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Definately not a minature schnauzer. Mine is great at hunting tomatoes, but hasn't even noticed the mice that are around at the moment.

My old terrier cross on the other hand was a brilliant hunter, she took out quite a few rats, birds and possums (and when she worked out how to get into the cage, all my guinea pigs too)
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Clarissa.....minature schnauzers can be great ratters. Yours.....not sure what happened. Maybe it thinks you want it to kill tomatoes.

The sire of my minature schnauzer pup travels to Kentucky to compete in rattings. He has won four times now.

Years ago I found a small rat in the barn under a piece of plywood. I called the cats. When all three got close to the plywoood, I lifted it and exposed the rat. Of course the cats just looked at it, but then a flash shot in and the rat started to climb the wall. The flash streaked up the wall snatched the rat and shook it dead before he hit the ground. It was a Jack Russell.
They are known to bite, and this one bit people all the time. He would pose and look cute and wait for you to reach in to pet him- snap he would get yah. I could stand there and tell people three times not to try to pet him for he bites, and they would still reach in for a pet. Always had this look of suprise as they pulled back their nub. "Oh he bit me.", they would say, and I would say-"Really?"

BTW- the all time world record was set in the United Kingdom many years ago. Something like 110 dead rats in one minute. Terrier.
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Weren't Boston Terriers bred for that? I thought I remember reading that somewhere
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chihuahuas were bred just to kill rats in temples in northern mexico and are extremely territorial.
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the Rat Terrier.

Ferrets were bred to kill rats.

Rats make good pets, if you find some baby rats and raise them as pets, they will chase the other rats away. I'm not kidding, you just watch these videos of people's pet rats. They use rats in experiments because they are so smart, you can train them to do anything. You can feed them puppy milk replacement.

I had a Pet squirrel and she would not let any other squirrels come into her yard. They are very clean, dainty animals, easy to potty train.

Would you really have what it takes, to kill one of these cute, lovable, adorable rats, when the SHTF?

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baby WILD rats or mice will NOT make good pets, the ones in the pet stores have been bred down for generations to be tame. taking a baby wild rat or mouse and trying to tame it is impossible. I know, I tried.
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Jack Russell, Rat Terrier, Silky Terrier. Any breed such as these would do well. My silky even catches birds, while they are alive and in flight, no joke.

But, we had a critter getter once, named Knucklehead. He was a mixed breed, possibly border collie and shepherd. I can't tell you how many 'possums he treed, how many baby 'possums we found dead in the yard, even kittens if they didn't know to stay away from him and accidentally wandered into the yard. Nothing escaped that dog, or very rarely did anyway.
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Would you really have what it takes, to kill one of these cute, lovable, adorable rats, when the SHTF?
I have what it takes to kill one of these disgusting, stinky, disease spreading vermin (and their miniature mates) PRE-SHTF

My vote is for a Jack Russell from working bred lines. Good socialisation and obedience traingin at a young age will prevent dog aggression issues. They are a very big dog in a little body though, so not for the feint hearted
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I have a rat terrier. If he smells a mouse he wont rest until it's dead. I generally don't like small dogs but this dog changed my opinion on them.
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The perfect dog for catching small game/ Rats is a MINIATURE PINSCHER. We have one and he is so fast and agile and sneaks his way into small areas to find what he is looking for. Definitely a great small dog to catch small rodents!

Miniature Pinschers originated in Germany, centuries ago, basically to chase and catch rats in the barnyard. It was known then as the “Reh Pinscher”
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I'd say find yourself a good Rat Terrier. They're superb ratters, hence the name, but they're typically not the little dynamos Jack Russells are. They're still terriers but they're a lot more relaxed and less prone to aggression.

This should be fairly obvious, but I also wanted to note that if you commit to getting a ratter you'll need to keep him away from any area where the rats are poisoned.
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Boston Terrier. Hands down.
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Default Rat Terrier

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"These tough little dogs gained their fame in rat pit gambling. However they were, for the most part, bred for speed. Their speed is used for controlling vermin and hunting squirrels, hare, and other small game.

The Rat Terrier was a common farm dog in the early 1900s, bred for catching barn rats in haystacks. Purportedly a rat terrier holds the record for most rats killed in a single infested barn: 2501 rats in 7 hours."

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Miniature wieners might good because they can get into small places. And they hate rodents of any kind. My daughter got a pet rat for her daughter, they had to get rid of it because their mini weenie got sick, from the stress of not being able to kill the rat.

And it does keep the house mouse free.

OTH, Boston terriers are great ratters too. Bulldog tenacious and with terrier energy.

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the Rat Terrier.

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Rats are said to have the same intelligence level as a dog, they are very smart indeed, thats why you need a smart quick dog to catch em.
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