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Old 02-09-2012, 06:10 PM
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Default 7.62x39 vs 30 carbine

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Hey everyone I have a chance to get a saiga or a m1 carbine I was just wondering Eucharist one u guys would consider better for if things go bad. If I get the saiga id be leaving it stock besides ading. A bullet guideso I can use standard ak mags .the rifle would be for home defense/ range toy mostly considering I have plenty other rifles for hunting. Just wanted tovhet some opinions. Thanks everyone
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I have 2 inland manufactured carbines from ww2. I wouldnt part with them/ AMMO is a little hard to find some times but i buy alot when i can get it. I own a romainian AK i like em both. Allthough ammo is cheaper for the ak.
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I've owned both. Trust me get the carbine.

carbine is reliable and accurate. ak is just reliable :-)
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Well tjats the thing I can get the rifles for about the same price but I'm on a budget for stockpilling ammo. In that regards 7.62 x39 is way cheeper then 30 carbine but is the accuracy of 30 carbine worth the trade off in price of 7.62x39.
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I like the M1 Carbine a whole lot more than the Saiga.... But the 7.62x39 is much more powerful.....
If I had to choose between the two for a SHTF weapon I would ask these questions
1) Is it just for self defense against two legged critters?
2) Am I going to use it to hunt anything or have as defense against anything larger than a two legged critter?

If its for self defense against two legged critters and to be used for hunting small game and nothing larger than small deer up close I would grab a M1 Carbine over a Saiga in a heartbeat!
But of you anticipate using it to hunt larger game or having to defend against larger critters the Saiga with the more powerful round would probably be the better choice..... And I say that with a cringe because I really dont like Saigas!
There is another choice in the Ruger Mini-30 though. It is a brother to the M1 Carbine and it shoots the larger 7.62x39 round....
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I posted above about haveing 2 m1 carbines i forgot to ad that i have 2 ruger blackhawks 3 screw models in 30 carbine to.
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Oh boy; a very good question. Over six million carbines made; used in countless wars and body counts for close to 70 years ago. Light, short and handy. Powerful and accurate enough WITH PROPER SP AMMO. Very simple light rifle.

Plenty of spare parts. Designed as a replacement for a big rifle for troops that didn't need one, but G.I.s quickly changed that and it became a front line rifle. People aged from 8 to 80 can employ the G.I. M1 30 cal carbine.

Now very $expensive$, but you get what you pay for. Stick with gov issue manufactures and parts. Mixmasters are fine. (G.I. parts guns) Forget ALL the aftermarket versions; too iffy in potential quality/durability.

All NFA rules apply. If you can legally own one where you live and can afford the $6000++ bucks, G.I. M2 Carbines or kits are available. FUN! Best described as a very powerful submachine gun, or a light assult rifle.

The Saiga is current Russian production based upon old Russian tooling. The quality varies; my Saigas required much rebuilding and tweeking to get to work correctly. SOME critical spare parts are NOT available from the importers.

The 7.62x39 cartridge is more powerful than the .30 Carbine; but not THAT MUCH. Within about 150 yards, the Carbine with SP ammo and the Saiga with hardball are almost the same. The deer didn't notice.

The Saiga is $cheaper$ and just as tough as the Carbine. Over 30 million AK's made and still counting. SP Carbine ammo $spendy$ and MIGHT be hard to find. One might always be able to find AK ammo. Your call. FWIW IMHO HB of CJ (old coot)
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Get the Saiga without a doubt. I tried the 30 Carbine and I wasn't impressed at all. AK ammo is plentiful and cheap as hell. The Saiga is reliable and more than plenty accurate for what you'd need it for. Pretty simple choice from where I'm sitting.
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As much of a M1 carbine addict as I am, I'd recommend the AK/SKS for most uses. Its more powerful and has a longer useable range. However, if you aren't going to be hunting larger game with it and your shots would be under 200 yards, the carbine is an awesome gun!
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I like the .30 carbine over the 7.62x39 and ammo is available. The softpoint factory ammo can be pricey but, the .30 carbine is simple to reload using carbide dies. The 7.62x39 is easy to load for too...but the .30 carbine case is straight walled...simplifying the operation. .30 carbine FMJ rounds are available online from SGAmmo.com for under $16.00 per 50 round box. The round is capable and the rifles are stone axe reliable...at least the GI spec pieces are...and anyone can operate one with little training. Ammo is lighter than 7.62x39...and the .30 carbine rifles are as light as most .22 semiauto rifles. What's not to like?
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I do love the M1 carbine. They are great little lightweight shooters, pack a good punch out to 100 yards too. Still have to give the nod to the AK as a better defensive weapon though. The carbine was designed as a second echelon or rear echelon weapon. The AK was designed as a main battle rifle. Huge difference in firepower. Get an AK, and a nine mm carbine or m1 carbine for the wife. Nine mm carbines are nice in that you can standardize with a lot of sidearms, and of course 7.62x30 and 9mm are plentiful and cheap.

7.62x39 123gr bullet 2400 fps 1525 ft/lbs energy
30 carb. 110gr bullet 1900 fps 880 ft/lbs energy
9mm 115gr bullet 1300 fps 420ft/lbs energy Though through a 16 inch barrel a couple hundred extra fps is typical.
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Default Is that an US M1 .30 Carbine vs. a 7.62X39 AK or SKS?

Hands down, the 7.62X39 beats the .30 caliber 90-100gr carbine round. Doesn't matter which platform, SKS or AK47 in semiautomatic, the M1 .30 caliber carbine cannot compete. The M1 carbine may be available to you, but I'd trade it for either a Soviet, Romanian, Czech, Polish, or even Chinese SKS or AK47. In the case of a semi-auto AK47, the Polish AKMS with "bells and whistles." like a dust cover with accuraized peep-sight and 550 paracord wrapping on the folding stock's butt piece, AND accurized ammo, would be a real force multiplier...

NO M1 or M2 US carbine in .30 caliber can ever compete with a military grade SKS or AK47. Ever. Period. No way, baby, no way...

The two best rifles in 7.62X39 are the CZ-USA 527 and the PTR 32-KFR. Both are sub MOA, and as reliable as the AK's that use the same ammo. The CZ527 has 5rd mags, while the PTR 32-KFR uses AK mags. Personally, I like the Romanian polymer 30rd mags, but the US has the TAPCO 30rd mags that are also superb... I don't like any other mags out there, though the Chinese 75rd drums from J&G in Prescott, AZ are magnificent for the price...

Lapua, MFS2000, and Hornady STS ammo are the best for rifles that are proven tack drivers... The STS has a polymer/ballistic tip, and is infinitely superior to HP or SP... Remember, the FMJ used by the Soviets and their adjuncts, made the weapon famous the world over as, "The Widow Maker..."

For serious "social purposes," I have an FMCO "Meat Eater" vest that holds twenty 30rd magazines. Needless to say, it's heavy, but there is no such thing as "too much ammo..."

Usually, I use musette bags holding 250 to 300 rds, all in 25rd loaded 30rd magazines...

My PTR 32-KFR is topped by Trijicon ACOG TA31RCOM150CP. It has an Insight Technologies MX3 w/remote, Harris 6-9" HBRS bipod, GripPod GPS-02, and Blackhawk SAW Sling, with Trijicon TriPower and EOTech 512 for ACOG back-up... For night-time use, an ATN MK440 night scope...

Keeping in mind "serious social difficulties," I have a velcro attached ejection port shell bag that reduces the problem tripping on expended brass... Now THAT is a real problem that nobody seems to address, when doing urban ops...

Hope this helps...

OA, out...
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:27 AM
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oh, man, this IS a good question. You should start a bunch of "Which would you rather
have" threads... You'd be good at it.

Almost everybody on here is right about everything they're saying, too. The only thing
I could add is, if you really, really, REAAAAaallly think you're going to use the gun to
shoot somebody (Or something - deer for instance) at over 25 yards and you REALLY
want to make sure you kill him/her/it (as opposed to just "Discouraging" him/her/it), get the Saiga - do NOT get the carbine.

Otherwise (and particularly considering that you've got other guns) get the carbine.
Just deal with the ammo issue.

Make sense?


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