The baby boomers are keeping Ron Paul from getting elected.

[aramchek]

There used to be a saying that socialism is for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

I guess they arrived at that because the rich are accustomed to bailouts, political backdoors, influence, subsidized wars, or subsidies of entire industries (m.i.c.), etc. Whereas the working-class is expected to work for its money.

But maybe there's another twist on that phrase: socialism for the Boomers, capitalism for Gen-X.

Only the Boomers should have pensions, social security, socialized medicine (Medicare), affordable college, etc. Everyone else ought to be good little capitalists.

[Heckler&Coke]

Originally Posted by aramchek

There used to be a saying that socialism is for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

I guess they arrived at that because the rich are accustomed to bailouts, political backdoors, influence, subsidized wars, or subsidies of entire industries (m.i.c.), etc. Whereas the working-class is expected to work for its money.

But maybe there's another twist on that phrase: socialism for the Boomers, capitalism for Gen-X.

Only the Boomers should have pensions, social security, socialized medicine (Medicare), affordable college, etc. Everyone else ought to be good little capitalists.

Just to be picky....affordable college was a result of market competition and government non-involvement. Today's expensive and ever growing rates are a direct result of government subsidized education. Government backed loans are the #1 reason for price hikes, but noone wants to admit it ....


If the government told everyone they need to go to Tom's store, and the government went so far as to hand everyone a blank check to shop at Tom's store...amongst intense demand for Tom's store, and blank checks backed by the government for even the poorest of shoppers...what do you think Tom will do?


RAISE PRICES!


Government intervention in any sector distorts everything and universally makes sh*t worse...

[NotARoleModel]

Originally Posted by maat

Honestly, I do not want to have to wait another 2 years to recieve a poverty level check from the government for the 12.% investment I have made over 45+ years.

Do you see why fixing it is an absurd option? I want to take my chances in the free market.

I agree 1000% with you and always have.

The problem is that we are in the far far far minority. There is NO political or popular will to replace the system. NONE. Just mention the mere suggestion of requiring folks to have mandatory 401ks in place of social security and see what happens.

Therefore we have to accept what is and accept the inevitable "fixes" be they what they are.

Period.

[NotARoleModel]

Originally Posted by Branned

OK, how about lets not tax the next generation any more than the baby boomers were. The baby boomers will just have to keep cutting SSN benefits as to adjust to what they really put into the system? Seems fair to me?

You simply don't get it and obviously don't want to.

The system is secure AS IS for 95% of the boomer generation. Raising taxes NOW ensures the viability for the NEXT generation(s). Yeh, that whole 1% increase is really going to kill everyone to pay that.

The boomers ALREADY HAD their benefit age RAISED once ... in the middle of the game oh and also had their FICA tax RAISED along with it. FACTS which you whiners absolutely REFUSE to acknowledge simply because it sinks your "arguments" without a trace.

What makes you think that future generations don't also need adjustments in their benefits .... JUST LIKE THE BOOMERS. Oh that's right god forbid that Generation E give up anything.

You want to start afixing blame where blame belongs go dig up the "greatest generation" and tax them. They're the ones who screwed it up with the "great society" garbage.

Try to get your generations straight.

[NotARoleModel]

Originally Posted by aramchek

There used to be a saying that socialism is for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

I guess they arrived at that because the rich are accustomed to bailouts, political backdoors, influence, subsidized wars, or subsidies of entire industries (m.i.c.), etc. Whereas the working-class is expected to work for its money.

But maybe there's another twist on that phrase: socialism for the Boomers, capitalism for Gen-X.

Only the Boomers should have pensions, social security, socialized medicine (Medicare), affordable college, etc. Everyone else ought to be good little capitalists.

Again simple math escapes a Red Oktoberist like you. Making adjustments NOW causes MORE taxation on boomers (most in their highest earning years) in order to save the system (since NO ONE wants to entertain the thought of replacing it) for Gen X I mean E for Entitlement.

I mean we can't in all good conscience leave it for you crybabies to fix because your "fix" is to throw yourselves down on the floor and cry your eyes out in a two year old's tantrum until Mommy or Dada comes and makes it all better.

As you babies increasingly realize, the real world couldn't possibly care less about you no matter how loud you wail.

[Branned]

Originally Posted by NotARoleModel

You simply don't get it and obviously don't want to.

The system is secure AS IS for 95% of the boomer generation. Raising taxes NOW ensures the viability for the NEXT generation(s). Yeh, that whole 1% increase is really going to kill everyone to pay that.

The boomers ALREADY HAD their benefit age RAISED once ... in the middle of the game oh and also had their FICA tax RAISED along with it. FACTS which you whiners absolutely REFUSE to acknowledge simply because it sinks your "arguments" without a trace.

What makes you think that future generations don't also need adjustments in their benefits .... JUST LIKE THE BOOMERS. Oh that's right god forbid that Generation E give up anything.

You want to start afixing blame where blame belongs go dig up the "greatest generation" and tax them. They're the ones who screwed it up with the "great society" garbage.

Try to get your generations straight.

SSN was set up as a ponzi system. It will be the baby boomers generation to bring it to its knees (due to math). I see no ways (using real math not Al Gore math) from anyone on how to keep it sustained with rising retirees and rising benefits. These Bush/Obama bailouts to auto unions and Wall Street are putting it more at risk every year. Many baby boomers have an "abused child syndrome" of wanting to pass it on to the next generation rather than fixing it right now. A baby boomer generation trait if there was ever one.

[Deadmeat99]

I've been staying out of this thread lately because it's devolved into pointless bickering and name calling, but my god, this:

Originally Posted by NotARoleModel

Making adjustments NOW causes MORE taxation on boomers (most in their highest earning years) in order to save the system (since NO ONE wants to entertain the thought of replacing it) for Gen X I mean E for Entitlement.

Wow.

Harping on the "entitlement" generation while in the SAME SENTENCE whining that boomers shouldn't have to "make adjustments" because it won't benefit them is just... rich.

I mean we can't in all good conscience leave it for you crybabies to fix because your "fix" is to throw yourselves down on the floor and cry your eyes out in a two year old's tantrum until Mommy or Dada comes and makes it all better.

My "fix" (since the current system will never be wholesale replaced) would be to remove the cap on taxation (while perhaps lowering the percentage paid) AND means test the retirement benefit, starting immediately. That would bring it back to the original intent of the program: disability insurance and anti-poverty program for the elderly/infirm. The "tantrum" from the AARP crowd would be epic if that happened.

[NotARoleModel]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat99

I've been staying out of this thread lately because it's devolved into pointless bickering and name calling, but my god, this:



Wow.

Harping on the "entitlement" generation while in the SAME SENTENCE whining that boomers shouldn't have to "make adjustments" because it won't benefit them is just... rich.

My "fix" (since the current system will never be wholesale replaced) would be to remove the cap on taxation (while perhaps lowering the percentage paid) AND means test the retirement benefit, starting immediately. That would bring it back to the original intent of the program: disability insurance and anti-poverty program for the elderly/infirm. The "tantrum" from the AARP crowd would be epic if that happened.

Another mook with comprehension difficulties.

I am ADVOCATING that the taxes/adjustments be made NOW. That catches the boomers in their prime earning years you fool. For the SECOND time in their working careers.

The "tantrum" from the AARP crowd will be non existent if you raise the cap on earnings ... most agree it never should have been in place to begin with.

What, exactly, are you planning to "means" test? I thought all boomers were broke and poor according to everyone in here.

You need to check up on your facts ... disability insurance was NEVER the intent of the system when configured. NEVER. Again, the "greatest generation" put that welfare substitute into full effect with their "great society" BS.

[NotARoleModel]

Originally Posted by Branned

SSN was set up as a ponzi system. It will be the baby boomers generation to bring it to its knees (due to math). I see no ways (using real math not Al Gore math) from anyone on how to keep it sustained with rising retirees and rising benefits. These Bush/Obama bailouts to auto unions and Wall Street are putting it more at risk every year. Many baby boomers have an "abused child syndrome" of wanting to pass it on to the next generation rather than fixing it right now. A baby boomer generation trait if there was ever one.

The facts prove you wrong. Keep ignoring the 1983 revisions since they prove me right. Makes you look more foolish with every post. Na na na na na I can't hear you. Typical reaction when you're pinned in a corner.

Get your kids to teach you math. Start with 2 + 2. See if you can figure out what that equals. You clearly are completely clueless as to the subject.

The cites are there for you to disprove complete with the numbers. But you are above math so enjoy your delusions. All the fixes proposed "fix" it now and long in the future. They don't fit your woe is me end of the world hysteria so therefore you can't wrap your head around them.

You will, however, enjoy your SS benefits when due to you. Just like everyone else. Neither you or anyone else ESPECIALLY Generation E has any will whatsoever to replace the system when push comes to shove. None of you.

You can continue to ignore that FACT, too.

[aramchek]

No, the only time in Western history that college was affordable to the middle/working-class is between the GI Bill after WWII and up until the 1990's or so. These boundaries are represented by a 100% socialized mindset (military, military industrial complex, etc.) on one end, with a gradual phase-out of government aid to public universities. By the 1990's most "public" schools generated more of their revenue by private sources -- tuition, grants, corporate research seed money, patents, wealthy faculty, departmental, fiefdoms, slushy public-private arrangements, etc. So you hit an inflection point by the 90's or so. And as a result, the cost of college tuition has greatly out-stripped inflation basically every year since the Vietnam era.

Where the government DID meddle poorly was in the business of loans. If private banks or private colleges enjoy subsidized students, they have no incentive whatsoever to reduce tuition. Most of the money goes to top college administrators (CEO's, basically) and to the banksters. And that servitude money is golden for them, since unlike a home mortgage you can't escape it by declaring bankruptcy. The banks make a profit, the students taken on massive debt.

You can call that subsidy of education, but I call it something else. Crony capitalism + debt servitude.

Government subsidized education is one thing.
Government subsidized private loans is another.

The Boomers got theirs and enjoyed the ride. But I guess the ride is "closed for repairs" now.

Originally Posted by Heckler&Coke

Just to be picky....affordable college was a result of market competition and government non-involvement. Today's expensive and ever growing rates are a direct result of government subsidized education. Government backed loans are the #1 reason for price hikes, but noone wants to admit it ....


If the government told everyone they need to go to Tom's store, and the government went so far as to hand everyone a blank check to shop at Tom's store...amongst intense demand for Tom's store, and blank checks backed by the government for even the poorest of shoppers...what do you think Tom will do?


RAISE PRICES!


Government intervention in any sector distorts everything and universally makes sh*t worse...

[maat]

Originally Posted by NotARoleModel

I agree 1000% with you and always have.

The problem is that we are in the far far far minority. There is NO political or popular will to replace the system. NONE. Just mention the mere suggestion of requiring folks to have mandatory 401ks in place of social security and see what happens.

Therefore we have to accept what is and accept the inevitable "fixes" be they what they are.

Period.

I personally, would rather fight for a real american solution. More compromise to socialism and failure does not appeal to me.

I have learned to live with the fact that my SS/medicare contributions are nothing more than government theft/unconstitutional taxes.

I will just have to reach my goals with one hand tied behind my back and be a steadfast voice against further degredation of the American Experiment.

[last_medic_standing]

Dr. Paul is the only guy that will preserve our Constitution. With out him things will only get worse. The Title to this thread is right on point. The only people other than libs that hate him are the baby boomers( not every single one hates him).

[rugster]

Originally Posted by NotARoleModel

The facts prove you wrong. Keep ignoring the 1983 revisions since they prove me right. Makes you look more foolish with every post. Na na na na na I can't hear you. Typical reaction when you're pinned in a corner.

As I pointed out in my last post the 1983 revision didn't fix the problem and their projections where off by 24 years....their math was bad, their assumptions where bad.



https://www.cato.org/dailys/5-01-97.html

http://mises.org/daily/1176

[SpectateSwamp]

Honest people don't get appointed by political parties. That would just upset the apple cart. Then the Chamber of Commerce and the powers that be do their best so that Independent Candidates never win.

How to Rig Elections
====================

It all starts at the lowest political forums. No tuff questions are ever asked.

I'm running in the upcoming election here in British Columbia Canada 14May2013

Here are some pointers for your local Chamber of Commerce:

-Start by rigging the political debate forums. Plant questions and fill the slate with corrupt friends. That reduces the chances of an honest citizen getting elected. Hillary Clinton planted questions. When questions are planted very few real questions get asked. Like 'should Lobbying be illegal and called treason with stiff jail time'.

-Don't allow scrutinizers to watch the vote count. Here in Canada at the Civic / town level they have agents not scrutinizers. For provincial and federal elections it is scrutinizers. Most politicians start at the town / municipal election. So if they can control the towns then they have a good start at controlling the Provincial and Federal elections. In Whitecourt Alberta it almost became a fistfight when the Town staff was trying to prohibit their agents from watching the count. The town manager finally relented and let the vote count Be watched by the agents...

-Scare people away from Independent politicians by saying by splitting the vote the bad guys and gals will get elected.

-Make it hard for independent candidates to get on the ballot. Political parties are much easier to control.

For me I have to talk to at least 150 people in order to get the 75 signatures required; I got 25 more just In case there was 1 or more that they would disqualify. The whole point is to disqualify.

Next I have to get an official auditor with a CA or some such designation. I don't know any CA's so it will probably Cost me money and quite frankly what do auditors catch. Not Madoff not Enron not Civic corruption. Just another roadblock for honest people

Then I must have someone with the designation that allows them to witness oaths and signature. Probably more money and time.

Then I must get a money order or certified check for $250

-Make forums extremely boring so citizens won't attend and witness the fiasco. In the last civic election in Osoyoos the CofC asked 3 pathetic questions that were answered 13 times each. One question was "should the corporate vote be reinstated" 3 of the 4 councilors thought it should. Mike Plante, Sue McKortoff and C.J. Rhodes. Not surprisingly that question / answer never made it into the local paper. That question was asked at several other civic elections during that election period. So the questions don't come from locals. How bad is that...

You Tube

-Fool the people by saying that an Independent will have no power. NOT this one. I'll be representing the People and will be pressing government officials on all their issues with VIDEO. They will have to answer to me. AND just in case it's a minority government the peoples opinions will carry even more weight.

-Create a multitude of Junk forums and organizations where people can post their ideas. Of course nothing will result. Waste their time. Eg LEAP Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (none of these folks are ever on the frontlines of protests or get arrested) Boo

Forum Rigging Examples:

You Tube

On this YouTube video planted questions are moved to the active pile with just a tap tap.

http://www.osoyoostimes.com/news/201...sed-to-public/ Wow how bad is the CofC

You Tube

Here the Chamber of Commerce threatens a councilor over his support for the homeless
Use bully tactics scare off the honest citizens...

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/st..._questions.htm Follow this link to create your own random questions for Politicians

Solution:

-Hound them to the ends of the Earth with video I do.

You Tube

I videoed an open budget meeting. They didn't like it.

-Never ever vote for the same candidate TWICE. I won't be voting for myself this time around.
See my last candidacy "yellowhead speaks 1993"

You Tube

-If I get elected EVERYTHING will be on video and posted to the net. Video roots out corruption.

When ALL politicians are corrupt then ALL the top level civil servants have to be as bad or worse. Few town managers or Deputy Ministers would pass the stink test. It's just that simple.