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Old 12-26-2011, 05:00 PM
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I have made a shooting range on my property, shooting into a tall and steep dirt embankment. Have only used it so far to sight in rifles.

I am going to use it with a 9mm Glock for the first time soon and will be taking the Concealed course soon.

What are the distance(s) I should shoot? What distance is commonly used in the course?

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Old 12-26-2011, 05:03 PM
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in the course i took it was 21ft
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0-100 yards. Most gun fights occur within 10 feet. Practice at close range. There have been situations that being able to shoot a pistol at 100 yards would have been advantageous, so long range practice is also good.
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5, 10, 25 yards. The 5 yards can be used for shooting from the hip in combat situations towards center mass
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I'd recommend specifically 7m, 15m, and 25m. That is what we use for our qualification course. As stated above, the overwhelming majority of pistol combat takes place within 21 feet (7m). So, ensure you spend a good bit of time testing yourself with Tueller drills at 7m. A 50m target line would be great as well...
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... What distance is commonly used in the course?
In TN it's 12 rounds each at 3,7,15 yards, and 12 rounds at instructor's choice, which is usually at 20 yards or less. 70% hits in torso target.

I imagine most states are somewhere in this ballpark.

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0-100 yards. Most gun fights occur within 10 feet. Practice at close range. There have been situations that being able to shoot a pistol at 100 yards would have been advantageous, so long range practice is also good.
If a shooter could put all rounds in a 1-1/2 inch circle at 10 feet then that would be good shooting. If a shooter could hit the target at 100 yards with a pistol that would be a damn good shot.
Old 12-27-2011, 01:44 AM
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There have been situations that being able to shoot a pistol at 100 yards would have been advantageous, so long range practice is also good.
In a military action maybe but if you shoot someone at a hundred yards in the states; you're more than likely going to prison.
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5, 10, 25 yards. The 5 yards can be used for shooting from the hip in combat situations towards center mass
+1, its what the service practices.
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Police training is 15 yards for marksmanship and 6-12 feet for practical shooting (from cover, double taps, low light etc). I practice at 12-15 feet for self defense. I completed my firearm qualifications 7+ years ago so my distances might be slightly off.
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If a shooter could put all rounds in a 1-1/2 inch circle at 10 feet then that would be good shooting. If a shooter could hit the target at 100 yards with a pistol that would be a damn good shot.
I personally witnessed a few secret service guys consistantly ring the mansized steel gong at 400 yds.
Consistantly...meaning about 50% of the shots each one of them fired, with each guy shooting 2 mags out of their 9mms.
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In a military action maybe but if you shoot someone at a hundred yards in the states; you're more than likely going to prison.
Or not. If theyre shooting at you, and you have nowhere to run, a 100yd shot would not be considered 'murder.' If they have a rifle, youre likely screwed. If theyre shooting pistol, dont you think you should practice so youre a better shot??? At least 50yds. 25m is what most courses 'end' at.

I shoot from 1-25m regularly. Rarely do I shoot 50-100m. I was as deadly with my 9mm SIG as I was with the RPK but not with the 45's. Too much drop- but knowing how much the drop is gives me the advantage should I NEED to.
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People make disparaging comments on long range shooting, however I do it every trip.

Both the 100 and 200Y berms get a workout.

Why? Because it makes the short range stuff childs play.
You are so careful about your sights, grip and trigger pull out yonder, when you switch back to bad breath range, those insignificant things really make a difference in your shooting.

I'm not a great shot, but I've shot in minor competition, on PD ranges for a decade and built more accurate guns than I'd like to think about.

I did a sight job for a local LEO and when I testfired the gun, I had a one hole group at 10Y. I take my time and make every shot count, even in competition. You can't shoot enough bullets to make up for a miss in real life.

Most LEO's are lucky to get a 6" group out of their qualification run, even if they only go out to 15Y instead of the old 25Y+ shooting. I've done that after removing the sights on a Glock.

The more you practice, the more accurate you get.
The more you practice, the smoother and faster you get.
The more you practice, the more confident you get.

Extend your practice ranges, you'd be surprised what it does for your short range shooting.
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Whirli got it right.I regularly practice at 100 or more.The close stuff is easier then. The naysayers can do what they want,I could care less. Shoot long, short, and in-between.
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I always practice at 25, 12, 7 and 3 yards.
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On practice day I take a few shots at 25 yards. Most shots I take are 15 yards or less with the majority at about 20 feet. I don't shoot in meters, I'm American. (just kidding). When we qualify yearly we shoot from 25 yards to about 2-3 yards. My eyesight is fading more as I get older so I probably would not take a shot past about 15 yards.
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People make disparaging comments on long range shooting, however I do it every trip.

Both the 100 and 200Y berms get a workout.

Why? Because it makes the short range stuff childs play.
You are so careful about your sights, grip and trigger pull out yonder, when you switch back to bad breath range, those insignificant things really make a difference in your shooting.

I'm not a great shot, but I've shot in minor competition, on PD ranges for a decade and built more accurate guns than I'd like to think about.

I did a sight job for a local LEO and when I testfired the gun, I had a one hole group at 10Y. I take my time and make every shot count, even in competition. You can't shoot enough bullets to make up for a miss in real life.

Most LEO's are lucky to get a 6" group out of their qualification run, even if they only go out to 15Y instead of the old 25Y+ shooting. I've done that after removing the sights on a Glock.

The more you practice, the more accurate you get.
The more you practice, the smoother and faster you get.
The more you practice, the more confident you get.

Extend your practice ranges, you'd be surprised what it does for your short range shooting.

Besides the training aspect of shooting longer ranges with a pistol or revolver, another aspect is important:

FUN.

And it is fun.

We all know for distances 30+ yards there are better choices than a pistol or revolver, may it be your scattergun or a rifle, both is better at longer ranges. But you can't always come packing a scattergun or rifle, so just in case...at least you should be able to estimate distance and know where to hold (we don't discuss energy and velocity loss and bullet drop here, we all are grown up and know that a pistol or revolver isn't that good at least not regular calibers).
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I'd recommend specifically 7m, 15m, and 25m. That is what we use for our qualification course. As stated above, the overwhelming majority of pistol combat takes place within 21 feet (7m). So, ensure you spend a good bit of time testing yourself with Tueller drills at 7m. A 50m target line would be great as well...

Second what Paladin states. Also at the 5 meter mark, you can practice reflex fire...pull from holster, shoot quickly - not bringing the gun all the way up and taking time to aim.

Various positions, off hand, dim light, distractors, also has some spots where you run in place to get the heart pounding.

Much better than just stand - aim -shoot. Real firefights never go that way
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Learn to keep 10 rounds in the chest area at 25 yards from different positions. Then you can build on that,moving and firing,firing from cover etc.
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Not sure what the instructors teach, and don't really care.

I practice shooting all distances from point blank to 50 yards.

At 50 yards, I hit fist sized balloons 9/10 times with my XD40 5" Tactical, and Roughly 8/10 times with my XD40 4" Service model. Not perfect but I am comfortable with it for now.
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