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Old 12-07-2011, 08:18 AM
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Its just a basic question of what would happen. I live in Socal and was watching the news when I hear that our govenor is getting to raise our taxes again. I started wondering what would happen if the entire country stopped paying taxes? The IRS can`t put the whole country in jail. Do you think we could get some changes made in the goverment if we all did this? Just curious.
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Everyone . . . or just the other half that still do?
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That would bring things down in a hurry...everyone would have to be together on that on.
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It would work wonderfully. The only thing that would be difficult is to get the majority of folks to actually DO IT. We have several generations of sheep who think that the government should be involved in everything we do and that the government is to be worshiped. Our nation is a bunch of sissy cowards and that is exactly what the government set out to accomplish.
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The goverment spends our hard earned money on such rediculous things it makes me nuts just watching the news to see how they are going to waste it next.
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Six years ago, It might have worked.

Today, they just print more money.
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The gov would send out folks whose paychecks depend on your taxes to seize and sell your goods. Your bank accounts would be taken. Your property sold at auction. The FSA would riot against you for being so greedy and not paying your 'fair share'.

The gov would release the results of 'long term investigations' on the leaders showing that they are involved with Al-quida (sp) trying to distract and injure the USA while a crisis somewhere else in the world suddenly threatens us. Or owned a coat made from baby seal fur. Or selling heroin. Something.

Which taxes would be boycotted? Just Fed? A LOT of state and local funding comes from the Fed. The first things to be cut would be things like Medicare, SS, extended unemployment, school lunches. The deputy undersecretary to the third assistant to the deputy attorney general will keep their job. But the folks who have not held a job in 2 years, those on welfare, etc have to get a job, now!, or riot and take your stuff.

Sounds like a great idea but it will not happen without bloodshed. Then new, initially lower but increasing, taxes will be levied to pay for the revolution and set up the new gov.
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The govt lives on credit and can stay afloat long enough to counter-act it. Fatcat was right about "sweeping confiscations and auctions" to raise cash. I dont think for a moment that everyone would get on board anyway.

The only way you could even do it is to claim "exempt" on your taxes. The first month that the IRS got zero revenue from your employer, IRS will call your payroll department and say "switch them back or we will seize your company next monday".

Executive orders are already printed to "seize transportation, communication, agriculture, etc in times of national emergency". I see no reason they would not declare a national emergency for lack of revenue. And yes, they would pay themselves before any money trickled down to local govts.

"On the news today, local company XXX has refused to pay its taxes, and local schools no longer have money to provide free school lunches to poor children." How many parents do you think would storm the doors of company XXX right before it got seized?
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Sorta like the mob facing a guy with a gun that has no problems with using it. The mob could overwhelm him no question. However, who wants to step forward and be shot first?
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there is a movie about it
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It has already happened in Detroit they call it “entitlements” or if you prefer the common street name “Obama mony”
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A nice dream.

The reality is that not everyone would quit paying taxes.

Have you heard of a sheriff's auction? That is where the sheriff sells your property to the highest bidder since you did not pay your taxes.
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If Tax revenue went to $0 at once, the country would default and the entire economy would collapse in about a month.

Credit would also go to $0 right away because every lending country would stop business with us when they hear what's going on.


...most likely collapse the global economy within the same month as well.


Never gonna happen, because it would be impossible to have every single American quit their job on the same day. That's the only way to do it because employers take taxes out of your pay before you even get your check.


And in this hypothetical, there would be no "they" to punish people since every single American would do it. Including LEO's, and Gov people.
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A nice dream.

The reality is that not everyone would quit paying taxes.

Have you heard of a sheriff's auction? That is where the sheriff sells your property to the highest bidder since you did not pay your taxes.
That didn't fly so well in the 30's. All the neighbors would show up and bid no more than say ten cents on a piece of expensive equipment. Then they'd sell it all back to the original farmer for cheap to nothing.

Kind of a jury nullification of sorts.
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If Tax revenue went to $0 at once, the country would default and the entire economy would collapse in about a month.

Credit would also go to $0 right away because every lending country would stop business with us when they hear what's going on.


...most likely collapse the global economy within the same month as well.


Never gonna happen, because it would be impossible to have every single American quit their job on the same day. That's the only way to do it because employers take taxes out of your pay before you even get your check.


And in this hypothetical, there would be no "they" to punish people since every single American would do it. Including LEO's, and Gov people.
It's easy to not have taxes taken out of your paycheck.
It's definitely harder to get everyone to not file at the end of the year - some won't because they get thousands back and have no taxes all year.
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That didn't fly so well in the 30's. All the neighbors would show up and bid no more than say ten cents on a piece of expensive equipment. Then they'd sell it all back to the original farmer for cheap to nothing.

Kind of a jury nullification of sorts.
Perhaps I'm cynical, but I don't see that happening today.
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Another hypothetical that wouldn't happen. But if it did they would just seize bank account and take it directly out of paychecks.
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Easy. You would receive a visit from 'Rashid and the Girls'
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Six years ago, It might have worked.

Today, they just print more money.
An interesting point you make. Once the federal government received a central bank, there technically was no need at all for taxes. Taxes only hide this fact from the public.
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Are taxes wasted on a ton of programs we don't like? Yes. One big problem with that is that everyone looks at taxes differently, and everyone benefits differently from services.

But the bottom line is that we live in a Republic, and our society is based in part on the social contract; we give up certain rights in return for collective security. I consider myself something of an individualist, but the idea of everyone not paying taxes strikes me as a horrible one. Move to Somalia if you don't want to pay any taxes.
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