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Old 11-29-2011, 12:05 PM
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I've been shooting for quite sometime, and my personal handguns have all been .45's.
However, now I find myself taking a closer look at the 10mm. The glock 20 holds that round, which is a plus cause I like glocks...

I'm thinking this only because of the fact that the 10 may be better for bear defense (of which we have lots of at our bol), people wearing heavy winter clothing, hunting hog or deer, etc...
my reloading bench is set up for .45 though, and I own two .45's...so I would have to buy two glock 20's and get the toolhead for the press, etc...(two is one, one is none)

I guess I have to wonder if the difference between the two is significant enough for the investment?

Recoil isnt a problem, as I am a big guy with big hands and while I hate the recoil of my shotguns (damn stock slams my cheek everytime), handgun recoil doesnt bother me.

anybody else ever think about this? what conclusions did you make?
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Love the 10mm Magnum Power, but CC the .45+P. Ammo is much easier to find, cheaper shooting and "almost" as potent.
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I would stick with the .45 if for nothing else than the popularity of the round.
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I dont think there is enought of a differnce to change over to a calibur that is so hard to find ammo for if things go sideways. I would stick with the 45 and be more then happy. But then again. I have seen how fast a 45 dropped a bear. Problem is bears varry is size so much thats not totally 100% The bear I saw dropped was only 320# but he dropped fast and hard to it. But myfirst choice would of been a 12 gauge with slugs for me.
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Stick with a standard, I wish our department issued .45s, we have Glock in .40S&W
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Love the 10mm Magnum Power, but CC the .45+P. Ammo is much easier to find, cheaper shooting and "almost" as potent.
hmm, that is a good idea
wonder if my XD's would be okay with the +P round? I'll look into it...

email springfield armory and see what they say....

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I dont think there is enought of a differnce to change over to a calibur that is so hard to find ammo for if things go sideways. I would stick with the 45 and be more then happy. But then again. I have seen how fast a 45 dropped a bear. Problem is bears varry is size so much thats not totally 100% The bear I saw dropped was only 320# but he dropped fast and hard to it. But myfirst choice would of been a 12 gauge with slugs for me.
Hey, that is good to know!

we have lots of black bear up in the mountains of western NC. When we used a bobcat to clear a road up our property, we came back a couple of days later and found LOTS of bear track's.
I have a wife and two yr old, and worry about bear attacks.

Now, I wonder where that bear was hit? In the computer, or in the chest, lung, heart?
Thanks for the vote of confidence for the good ole .45 round
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Stick with a standard, I wish our department issued .45s, we have Glock in .40S&W

yeah, that seems to be the consensus...stick with a common caliber.

Now, if I DID tool up for the 10mm, I would have thousands of bullets (I buy in bulk), cases, powder etc...for reloading. And since it would be mainly used as a self defense round, those thousands of rounds would last me quite a while.

however, I agree that maybe when trading after TSHTF, more people would want/need .45 than 10mm...
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Another vote for the .45.
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I added up how much 1000 rounds of 10mm would be...


and decided "no" to 10mm.
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Hornady 45 Auto +P 200 Gr XTP 1055 fps / 494 FtLbs ($23.01/20)

Hornady 10MM 200 Gr XTP 1050 fps / 490 FtLbs ($22.73/20)

Hornady does not offer the Zombie Max in 10mm
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I used to CC a Springfield Ultra Compact .45. It said right on the manual not to fire +P ammo. I switched to a Colt New Agent. No problems with that anymore. You should fire a 10mm gun. The blast and kick are crazy-pants. Same reason my snubbie revolver is a .38+P and not a .357 mag, the blast and kick are not conducive to follow-up shots in a timely, accurate manner.
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Hornady 45 Auto +P 200 Gr XTP 1055 fps / 494 FtLbs ($23.01/20)

Hornady 10MM 200 Gr XTP 1050 fps / 490 FtLbs ($22.73/20)

Hornady does not offer the Zombie Max in 10mm



found these
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...low-point-ammo



I'll probably do some ballistic testing with wet phone books and bones...see which performs the best for me.

thx for all the help in deciding and other info
appreciate it

oh, and I wrote springfield and they said that the XD can handle +P, but not make it a regular thing as it is hard on the gun....
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Its 5:30AM here.

9mm-45acp =11-13" penetration with good JHP/HP rounds. Diameter and wound characteristics of the wound are nearly identical, and people will claim there is a hug difference to make themselves feel better without really having any proof. Feckler, Brass Fetcher, etc all prove this go look it up.

10mm = 12-14.5" penetration with a good JHP/HP round.

Not enough difference to worry about, and frankly if you already own a 45 and can handle the shooting cost stick with it.
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found these
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...low-point-ammo

yours are a little cheaper...where did you find those?

I'll probably get both and do some ballistic testing with wet phone books and bones...see which performs the best for me.

thx for all the help in deciding and other info
appreciate it

oh, and I wrote springfield and they said that the XD can handle +P, but not make it a regular thing as it is hard on the gun....

The prices were listed on the Hornady sight. In today's market, retail may be higher (LOL - I mean for crying OL) Hornady 45 Auto +P Prices are for a box of 20. The link you posted is for a box of 50.
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10mm is a good cartridge. The .45ACP is a good cartridge. Both are pistol cartridges. If I were to choose either of these for my pistol it would be the .45ACP. Both can put down men and game at short range. The .45ACP has the advantage of of being far more popular than the 10mm. Unless you foresee yourself getting in a protracted firefight in which more rounds are required, even the few more rounds in your 10mm pistol won't be of that much help. A rifle is what you would need!
You already made an excellent choice in the .45ACP. Don't second guess yourself!
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Okay I'll play devils advocate, sort of.

The 10mm is a great round.
I have three and have used them for everything from hunting, duty carry, defense and plinking/training. Flat shooting, little holdover is needed compared to the .45 at extended ranges.
Fed decent factory ammo, it's expensive like all factory ammo lately, but the Dillon is set up for it and it ends up costing just as much as a .45 round, not much.
The rack grade guns for the 10mm generally seem more accurate than comparable .45's over the years. Some headway in the .45's has been seen in the last decade but overall, the 10mm is a very accurate cartridge unlike it's .40 S&W spawn.

The downside of the 10mm?
Same as any magnum cartridge, muzzle blast is greater than a standard velocity (subsonic) round such as the .45 ACP.

I have both rounds and in several pistol platforms, Glock 20/21, Colt 1911 and Delta, Smith 4566/1076 and all have been great and are excellent choices.

In the hunting field, using proper bullets, the .45 is an excellent choice. It has more bullet selections available and can be set up to do anything.

In the end, in the real world, either is a great choice. In the good defensive loadings, both are effective and good to ride the river with.

In the hunting fields, the 10mm is great, I've shot hogs, deer and finished off a number of elk with it as well as numerous small critters and with proper bullet selection it has few real rivals in autoloaders that are packable, the .45 being the only serious contender.

I've also shot the same with the .45 and have no complaints about it either with appropriate loads.

If you want the 10mm, get them.
You'll like them, but then the real dilemma occurs......

Which do I carry today?
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hmm, that is a good idea
wonder if my XD's would be okay with the +P round? I'll look into it...

email springfield armory and see what they say....

thx
On the easy-to-find issue;

You can use a conversion barrel to .40 S&W in your Glock 20 if you were to run out of your theoretical stocks.

Also, .40 and 10mm use the same size bullet (.40 S&W is a weiner-fied version of the 10 anyways). .40 is a common law enforcement round (all the park rangers around here have 'em, and some police), so if you had to you could pull some bullets off of theirs to load your 10. Honestly, I'd think that after a long term spell without commercial ammunition, .45 bullets would be harder to find than .40's.
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I have always like the ballistics of the 10mm. I have had my Glock 20 for years and love it. But like everyone else has said its easier to find ammo in .45 vs 10mm. I'm lucky there is a gun shop by my house the sell reloaded 10mm for 20.00, so i stock up on it.
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