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Old 11-28-2011, 09:32 PM
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Looking hard at a converted Saiga. Been reading all the reviews and what not that I can, and people's biggest complaint is that the bullet guide is welded in... It appears to be TIG welded, which if done right should be very strong (experience with welding).

So why is this such a big deal? Or are people just having to find something to nitpick to keep happy with life? Because even after all the b****ing (really only a couple threads), I haven't heard of one account where it's ''fallen off''.

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So why is this such a big deal? Or are people just having to find something to nitpick to keep happy with life?
This is pretty much what all the discussion boards on the interwebz are for....
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This is pretty much what all the discussion boards on the interwebz are for....
That's what logic would tell me, but I'm not a gunsmith so that's why I wonder lol
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Nonissue just Internet Idiots
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That's what logic would tell me, but I'm not a gunsmith so that's why I wonder lol
Well, I don't proclaim to be a professional, but I dabble a bit, and I'm not sure how a welded guide could possibly have much of a drawback as long as it is properly placed and feeds reliably......
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I'm not a welder, have never welded anything in my life so excuse my ignorance. I've heard that you can get splatter from welding. If that is true, then the only problem I could see is getting splatter in the chamber of the gun. I know the weld would hold, people build AK's and weld them together instead of riveting them together.
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I'm not a welder, have never welded anything in my life so excuse my ignorance. I've heard that you can get splatter from welding. If that is true, then the only problem I could see is getting splatter in the chamber of the gun. I know the weld would hold, people build AK's and weld them together instead of riveting them together.
being a welder (not professional) imo TIG welding will not give you this issue, from what I have seen its mostly MIG welding that causes "splatter"

Either way, cleaning it up is easy

did I mention it's an AK??? I dont think it matters if its welded, riveted or helt together with duct tape. . . its still going to work
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I drilled and tapped my front trunion, but I think welding it would be just fine. Like I said, there are guys who build AK's and weld them together instead of riveting them. Should hold up good and strong.
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being a welder (not professional) imo TIG welding will not give you this issue, from what I have seen its mostly MIG welding that causes "splatter"

Either way, cleaning it up is easy

did I mention it's an AK??? I dont think it matters if its welded, riveted or helt together with duct tape. . . its still going to work
^This. Stick, MIG and flux-cored wire feed all spatter. TIG is relatively spatter free and makes some beautiful welds.
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I drilled and tapped my front trunion, but I think welding it would be just fine. Like I said, there are guys who build AK's and weld them together instead of riveting them. Should hold up good and strong.
I bought mine the same way and I would thinkg I would rather have it tig welded than "screwed" on.
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After a bit deeper research, aparently at first (2008) they were tack TIG'ing these things on, and there were a few failures. Then after a number of complaints, they semi-welded them on, and now they're fully welded.

My assumption is that people stuck to their fear of ''It used to be!'' and there's really no issue now. Because I PM'd a few reputable guys on this forum about their converted Saiga's they got from ClassicArms.us and they said they've had zero issues.
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I bought mine the same way and I would thinkg I would rather have it tig welded than "screwed" on.
I put a generous amount of some strong lock tite on the threads. It hasn't shown any sign of moving.
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I have an early Sagia conversion (Y2K) with a welded bullet guide and have shot 10K rds with no problems at all.
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I put a generous amount of some strong lock tite on the threads. It hasn't shown any sign of moving.
Gun cleaner, oil could possibly take care of that locktight. I think it will be ok , just some thing to keep a eye on IMO. I had not even thought about it until this thread though.
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^This. Stick, MIG and flux-cored wire feed all spatter. TIG is relatively spatter free and makes some beautiful welds.
Oh no doubt... I used to be able to make masterpieces with sheet aluminum and a TIG welder. Not sure how my skills have been maintained through 2 years of virtually no metal work lol.

I wasn't worried about the spatter though, that can be cleaned with a wire brush if necessary... I was more worried about the welds warping the metal to the point where a.) The bullet guide wasn't straight or b.) ****ty welds. But aparently it's not an issue... I guess I shouldn't be too worried, it's not hard to spot a bad weld.
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You can also buy cans of anti spatter spray. Just use a narrow strip of steel to cover the area where the weld itself is going before you spray. If you don't you'll get porosity or lack of fusion. Tig welding is a bit tougher to do, and if you don't know how you can wind up putting too much heat into the material and warping it. I'd go with either mig or stick, whichever you know best. Journeyman welder 7 years.
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I spend a lot of years welding high pressure boilier tubes, and now tig weld every day building aircraft 4130 tube fuselages. I would never try to stick weld, that would be the worse way, Mig would be the second worse way. Easy to weld the slides on using rosette welds with tig. and will not overheat the receiver and zero spatter. I wouldn't do it any other way. Pops
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I want to add, I rivet the front and rear trunion. Took a coupe hrs to make the tools to set the rivets using my small press and using a bottle jack. Pops
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My buddy used JB weld on his....I laughed at him, but he has put several thousand rounds through it without a hitch.
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