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Old 11-17-2011, 08:49 PM
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Has anyone here had first hand knowledge of one of these packs? Perhaps someone still owns one? I might be able to get my hands on one as I am looking for a large ruck for a 7 day trip. I would love to hear some feedback from first hand users or people who know someone with one.







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Old 11-18-2011, 11:07 AM
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:59 PM
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I've read some good reviews of some of their backpacks. Suggest you go to Backpacker.com and see if they have a review there, or ask in their equipment forum.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:59 PM
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I have seen reviews that are glowing to reviews that claim it is garbage. Hence why I wanted to see if anyone actually owned one.
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I have never owned that pack. I did have a gregory. I sold it, but only because it was my first pack and I bought too small of one. I ended up replacing it with an osprey. But to speak for gregory as a whole, they make a good pack. The shop where I buy carries what they refer to as mid range packs (osprey, deuter, and gregory). Not top of the line, expensive as all get out packs. But quality packs that are still going to cost more than your north face, etc packs. According to them, Gregory is the lower end of those, but still a really good pack.

How much are you looking to pay?
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I have never owned that pack. I did have a gregory. I sold it, but only because it was my first pack and I bought too small of one. I ended up replacing it with an osprey. But to speak for gregory as a whole, they make a good pack. The shop where I buy carries what they refer to as mid range packs (osprey, deuter, and gregory). Not top of the line, expensive as all get out packs. But quality packs that are still going to cost more than your north face, etc packs. According to them, Gregory is the lower end of those, but still a really good pack.

How much are you looking to pay?
I own all Arc'teryx packs atm(except for my EDC bag which is a Deuter), but they are all 2-3, 3-4 day packs. I am looking for a 7+ day pack for an upcoming Yellowstone trip along with a possible INCH bag.

I would acquire this bag in a trade for one of my other packs so $0.
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Try using google and type in the name of the pack, you might be able to find it. Good Luck!
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I currently own a Gregory. One of the most comfortable packs I own. I don't know what year that one was made, but it looks like it's a good pack. Lot's of adjustability in the torso, so you should be able to get a good fit.

Gregory's packs are built to fit about 80% of the population as far as anatomy goes. His new harness system of course has either auto canting or an adjustable cant in the hip belt and that gives you an extra step of customization in fit.

This is one of the few packs I've seen that has more than two slots for torso adjustment. I'm guessing that is because he built this pack in one size only rather than 3 sizes like most of his packs. The only problem you typically run into in situations such as that, is that the load lifters don't function correctly if you torso is at the top or bottom end of adjustment. What's the torso range on this pack, and what is your torso length?

Running a google search, I found this as far as reviews http://www.trailspace.com/gear/gregory/um21-backpack/. As far as reviews go, I'd trust trailspace or one of the other backpacking forums over just about any other. Trailspace gives it 4.5 stars.
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I have seen reviews that are glowing to reviews that claim it is garbage. Hence why I wanted to see if anyone actually owned one.
^^^^^^

I have seen the reviews


I am looking for someone who OWNS the pack because I would like to ask specific questions about this pack.
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$1400!!!

16lbs empty!!!

Wow. My base weight is 18 lbs. I can't imagine an empty pack weighing 16.

This is obviously marketed for someone different from me.

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$1400!!!

16lbs empty!!!

Wow. My base weight is 18 lbs. I can't imagine an empty pack weighing 16.

This is obviously marketed for someone different from me.

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Thank you, this certainly contributed to the thread
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Thank you, this certainly contributed to the thread
That time of the month, eh?

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That time of the month, eh?

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Oh so you think you actually contributed?

You think I care what your opinion on the pack weight is?

Oh your base weight definitely matters to me!

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I apologize. I thought the internet was about people interacting freely on a multitude of subjects. While I totally agree my interjection was primarily motivated by my shock at some of the specifics of the pack, it's clear that it was unwarranted and apparently rather annoying to at least one person.

It's kind of like when something catches you by surprise and you find yourself exclamating in public when you normally wouldn't.

However, it amazes me that you are so upset about my interjection, and while appearing to be opposed to any minor deviation in your thread, you've managed, with my help, to completely derail it.

So I'm going to help you out here. I won't reply any more. You don't want my admittedly unhelpful opinions, so I won't offer any more on this thread.

You're welcome.

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Back to the topic at hand!

Looking for people who own this pack system!
Old 11-19-2011, 04:23 AM
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BTT after that derailment!
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Reckon its heavy too... dont cry.
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I get it. This is one of those if you have to ask you can't afford it threads. I have no money and no opinion either.
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I recently got ahold of one. Like much military gear, it is much tougher and sturdier than comparably sized civilian gear. The upside is that it will withstand much more abuse, the downside is that it is much heavier. A lot of civilian backpackers don't realize(or refuse to admit) how much harder military use is on gear than their civilian trips are. In this case, the main pack is indeed about 16 pounds, about twice the weight of a civilian pack.

Like civilian Gregory packs, every strap is more than twice as long as it needs to be.

I have used it only for short hikes in from the car, but hope to do some backpacking Friday or Saturday after Thanksgiving with this pack. I'll let you know how it goes.

In the military, I've used both medium and large ALICE and CFP90. I have a full sized framed MOLLE, but haven't used it for more than luggage. Civilian side, I've used Lowe and Jandd. I used to work at a backpacking store, so I have a good frame of reference.

The UM21 was issued only to SOF units. It wasn't really well liked because of the heavy weight and difficulty interfacing with body armor, especially the back rifle plate.

What specific questions do you have?
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What are you doing that you need a pack like that for a mere 7 day trip?
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