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Old 11-04-2011, 08:18 AM
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I wanted to get ya'lls opinion on a thought I had. Apart from the 7.62x54r, they are a couple of the only surviving rimmed cartridges and therefore can be used in a break action rifle. If a survival rifle was offered in .357 or .44 magnum would you buy it? The ammo isn't that much more expensive than .30-06 or .308 and can still be used as a hunting ammo.

I'm not asking what you think would be better or why you'd rather have your trusty hunting rifle or AR, I'd just like some input into these two calibers. Thanks in advance!
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My two sons have killed probably a dozen deer- Whitetails and Muleys, and two dozen feral hogs with a Marlin 1894 in .357 Magnum. They shoot the Federal 180 grain Castcore load (essentially an LBT bullet), we have yet to recover a slug. The longest shot they have made is about 90 yards. Within 125 yards the round, loaded right, is a stone cold killer. It is actually cheaper by a considerable margin to shoot than almost any other centerfire "rifle", especially if you reload. I can reload .38's for them to shoot using cast bullets for less than .10 a round.
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Ya i would. I want a 44 to go with my super black hawk. Their both good rounds. I reload my 44s so ammo price isnt that bad. I also cast bullets so thats covered. But ive seen deer taken with the pistol and rifle. I have a buddy he loves his 357. Malin.
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They are available. NEF comes to mind. http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/youth.asp http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/handiRifle.asp

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Old 11-04-2011, 09:14 AM
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I have a Ruger 77/44...kills boars dead right there. Here in AL, we rarely shoot over 70 yards anyway.
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I have a Marlin in .44 magnum and I love it. It's a good lever action saddle carbine. I have the real short model and it's a kick to handle and maneuver with through a house or out of a car. The .44 magnums were once used to drop/hunt small bears, like small black and brown bears. They are powerful and have plenty of punch. I would recommend the .44 magnum to people in a heartbeat.
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been leaning towards a lever action myself for my first rifle. (Mostly because western action shooting seems the most interesting thing to do on a rifle range)

They come in 44 and 357.

any advice on a brand?
Old 11-04-2011, 02:12 PM
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Marlin 1894c in .357mag. I love mine! Companion to my GP-100. Great tandem for Ohio.
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been leaning towards a lever action myself for my first rifle. (Mostly because western action shooting seems the most interesting thing to do on a rifle range)

They come in 44 and 357.

any advice on a brand?
I'm biased as I own Marlins, but I do think they are the best value.
They are relatively inexpensive, have great reliability, support, and after market availability.
I also prefer side eject. With a Marlin you generally have a drilled and tapped receiver that accepts scope mounts or aftermarket sights (I prefer Skinner and Williams sights, FWIW).
While you're at it, don't forget the venerable 30-30. It's a rimmed cartridge that packs more range and power than either or the pistol magnums. That said, both the 357 and 44 are fun and effective. Can't really go wrong with any of them.
The one bonus to either 357 or 44mag is that you can probably run non magnum versions through the rifle also (38spl and 44spl) which is great for budget plinking. You do have to watch that some 357's get finicky with 38's due to the shorter OAL of the cartridge, but that doesn't seem to be as big an issue with the Marlins (their action seems to handle shorter pistol length rounds better IMHO).

Puma's, Henry's and even Rossi's are all viable options too. Depends on your preference for features and your budget.
I like the older Winnie's I've handled, but have heard of some issues with the newer ones. I don't know that first hand, but at the price point they come in at I don't want to risk it. For that money I'd buy a Cimarron or Browning, YMMV.
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I have a Marlin in 357 and a Puma in 357 , I also have an M&P 15. If I was in a firefight I would like the AR but for eveything else I would be comfortable with the lever gun. I kept one as a cruiser rifle since the late 70's. The 357 in a carbine length barrel works good. I keep 158 grain bullets in it at the minumum. Buffalo Bore makes some stouter stuff.
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I'm biased as I own Marlins, but I do think they are the best value.
They are relatively inexpensive, have great reliability, support, and after market availability.
I also prefer side eject. With a Marlin you generally have a drilled and tapped receiver that accepts scope mounts or aftermarket sights (I prefer Skinner and Williams sights, FWIW).
While you're at it, don't forget the venerable 30-30. It's a rimmed cartridge that packs more range and power than either or the pistol magnums. That said, both the 357 and 44 are fun and effective. Can't really go wrong with any of them.
The one bonus to either 357 or 44mag is that you can probably run non magnum versions through the rifle also (38spl and 44spl) which is great for budget plinking. You do have to watch that some 357's get finicky with 38's due to the shorter OAL of the cartridge, but that doesn't seem to be as big an issue with the Marlins (their action seems to handle shorter pistol length rounds better IMHO).

Puma's, Henry's and even Rossi's are all viable options too. Depends on your preference for features and your budget.
I like the older Winnie's I've handled, but have heard of some issues with the newer ones. I don't know that first hand, but at the price point they come in at I don't want to risk it. For that money I'd buy a Cimarron or Browning, YMMV.
Cool thanks for that. Guns are pretty expensive here. And i dont want to have to buy 20 of them to get by.
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For a break action rifle rimmed cartridges are a good choice but be aware that even these can fail to extract on occasion. I had a H&R in 22 Hornet that always seemed to fail when I wanted/needed that second shot. Carry a short brass rod to drop down the barrel. For me its 44 mag hands down, for my brother in law its 357 as he will not shoot a 44 pistol. Shot loads out of a 44 can be effective. If you don't load your own the odds of finding ammo are in favor of the 357 as it can use 38 special. Stores are way more likely 44 mag than specials. I like to shoot my 38 specials but have no use for the 357. If I going to put up with all that noise/recoil then I'm shooting my 44's.
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For a break action rifle rimmed cartridges are a good choice but be aware that even these can fail to extract on occasion. I had a H&R in 22 Hornet that always seemed to fail when I wanted/needed that second shot. Carry a short brass rod to drop down the barrel. For me its 44 mag hands down, for my brother in law its 357 as he will not shoot a 44 pistol. Shot loads out of a 44 can be effective. If you don't load your own the odds of finding ammo are in favor of the 357 as it can use 38 special. Stores are way more likely 44 mag than specials. I like to shoot my 38 specials but have no use for the 357. If I going to put up with all that noise/recoil then I'm shooting my 44's.

What is the brass rod for? My NEF .22 Hornet (H&R) throws the brass case so far I need a metal detector not a brass rod. I think that I am going to cancel it's ability to eject.

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I have had 357 and 44 mags over the years. I like the Marlin as you can field strip it easy. The Winchester 94 is nice though... Rossi makes a good product, though not as cheap as they were. 357 is better for longer range, 44mag is great for larger animals and dense woods. Having a sidearm with the same caliber, priceless. Limited to 100+ yards but in many places, thats a long shot. Quick handling, light, and higher capacity than 30/30. And ammo is cheap- 50 rnd box vs. 20.
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For a break action rifle rimmed cartridges are a good choice but be aware that even these can fail to extract on occasion. I had a H&R in 22 Hornet that always seemed to fail when I wanted/needed that second shot. Carry a short brass rod to drop down the barrel. For me its 44 mag hands down, for my brother in law its 357 as he will not shoot a 44 pistol. Shot loads out of a 44 can be effective. If you don't load your own the odds of finding ammo are in favor of the 357 as it can use 38 special. Stores are way more likely 44 mag than specials. I like to shoot my 38 specials but have no use for the 357. If I going to put up with all that noise/recoil then I'm shooting my 44's.
Failure to eject is exactly why I traded my H&R and Savage O/Us. At times they do fail to eject!. I would take the .44 in a lever gun, but my hearing will not allow me any longer shoot the .357 in a lever or handgun.
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A Marlin 1894 in .44 magnum was one of my first choices for a SHTF gun. I've used to harvest deer and have been very impressed. Remove one screw on the lever and you can pull out the bolt and clean from the breech. You can also mount a scope easily.

The fact that I can shoot the same ammunition in both a handgun and rifle helps logisticly. The .44 magnum is also very easy to reload and uses only about 2/3 the gunpowder as the same power level in a .30-30. It is also cast bullet friendly so I can easily make my own bullets. By the way, I can also swage jacketed .44 bullets out of scrap .40S&W cases and a 175 grain lead core. And, you can shoot .44 specials when you're only out for small game.

Yes, I do have an AR that will be used for defense, but in the very long run, I'd expect the .44 to keep me fed.
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I have a Rossi 92 in 44mag on layaway at my favorite gun dealer. I wanted it so. I could have a "matched" set with my Super Blackhawk. only thing i didn't care for on it it the safety on top of the bolt. looks wierd. Theres a company that makes a replacement plug for them, though. Nice thing about the rossi's is the choice of bbl lengths and finishes. Marlins are nice too. I have a 1895 guide gun..shes a cannon lol Had a winchester 94 til recently as well. killed alot of deer with that rifle. really it depends on what you wanna spend and what you think you might like. lever guns are so much fun to shoot, it's hard not to own just one
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Yes I would. The new Ruger 77/357 looks awesome but the price is too high.
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I want a .38/.357Mag Marlin lever action cuz I can shoot the boolits in my snubbie. ;-)
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Check out the Rossi Mare's leg. It comes in 38/357, .44 Mag and 45 Colt. It is a great shooter. Works like a small rifle but technically a pistol.
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