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Old 11-03-2011, 09:27 AM
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Hello, I'm looking to buy a .22 Sub Compact pistol..I've had my heart set on the Walther P22, but the more reviews I read the more I hear about jamming with cheaper ammo.
Anyone have any advice or experience with the P22, or any recommendations for a similar gun?
Old 11-03-2011, 09:30 AM
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My P22 doesn't jam any worse than any other .22 auto pistol. Most autoloaders have ammo preferences. You need to just find out which one yours prefers. Mine use Remington bulk HPs with no problem but, hates Federals. For carry I keep CCI Stingers in mine.

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Old 11-03-2011, 09:38 AM
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If you really want small, I have a Beretta 21A that I can hold in my hand and if I turn my hand palm down you can't see it. It's a decent little gun, but I'm not super fond of the SA/DA trigger style. It's ammo finicky, I've found mine runs best on Remington Thunderbolts.

The P22 is probably the best all around .22 pistol, but if you really want small the 21A is a reasonable pick.
Old 11-03-2011, 09:53 AM
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I second the Beretta, if you're going to buy a pistol as big as a Walther P-22, buy a Ruger MkI, II, or III.
Old 11-03-2011, 09:55 AM
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The Walther TPH was/is a great pistol, especially when tuned. But they're pricey.

The Beretta 21 Bobcat is a very good piece, easy to load, reasonably accurate, and light.

The S&W 2214 is a little larger but is surprisingly good, but it has a few sharp edges.

If you don't mind wheelguns, the little Smith model 63 is still the best of the mini-gun (revolver) breed.

The Walther PP, Bersa Thunder and Bernadelli model 80 are all decent to excellent options. Just a little larger than the subcompacts, they're generally more reliable and accurate than the micro sized guns.

For me, the Colt Sport Woodsman (1st gen) is still the most reliable and accurate for the size that is out there.
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I don't think there is a reliable small 22. The smallest I've seen that hit it every time with cci mini mags was the Bersa... And that is as large as a revolver.
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I'll echo a few above me and highly recommend the Beretta 21 A. Mine has spent hundreds of sweaty hours in my pocket over the last 11 or 12 years and is the ONLY semi-auto handgun that I own (have owned) that has never jammed in any way. Mine shoots anything, but for the past 10 years has been fed nothing but CCI mini-mags. I don't clean it enough (pocket lint, etc.) but just keeps spittin' em out.

I also have a Sig and Ruger, but neither is what I would call sub-compact (nor is the Walther).


Edit: I do own a Glock 19 that has never jammed, but that's like saying the sun is gonna rise it the East---duh!
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I'll echo a few above me and highly recommend the Beretta 21 A. Mine has spent hundreds of sweaty hours in my pocket over the last 11 or 12 years and is the ONLY semi-auto handgun that I own (have owned) that has never jammed in any way. Mine shoots anything, but for the past 10 years has been fed nothing but CCI mini-mags. I don't clean it enough (pocket lint, etc.) but just keeps spittin' em out.

I also have a Sig and Ruger, but neither is what I would call sub-compact (nor is the Walther).


Edit: I do own a Glock 19 that has never jammed, but that's like saying the sun is gonna rise it the East---duh!
I think this is going to be one of my first pistols when I get my permit. Its so small, shoots 22 shorts as well as 22LR.
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I second the Beretta, if you're going to buy a pistol as big as a Walther P-22, buy a Ruger MkI, II, or III.
the Ruger MK series are target pistols, and much larger than the P22. P22 is approximately 75% the size of Walther's P99.

I conceal carry a P22, and have put probably 8,000 rounds through it. CCI stinger is reliable ammo, and easy to find. its so abundant, i never considered shooting bulk federal or equivalent.
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my brother has a beretta and the taurus copy he actually prefers the taurus though his only explanation why is it just seems to shoot closer to where he thinks its going to hit when he is point shooting.
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I had a Beretta 21 a few years back. It had nice wood grips and polished blued finish.
I was in college and had to sell for cash.
I miss that thing.
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I have had good luck with the Baretta 21 and Walther TPH.
I have heard that the Moassad used to rely on the Baretta
Model 70.
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I must have had the only bad Beretta 21 ever made. Everyone talks about how good they are but the one I had was a jammatic POS. I'd trust a Freedom Arms mini revolver before I would a Beretta 21.
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I don't think there is a reliable small 22. The smallest I've seen that hit it every time with cci mini mags was the Bersa... And that is as large as a revolver.
You are wrong.

Mossad knows best.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/...mossad-22-lrs/

The most reliable .22 LR I have ever shot, even compared to somehow larger "competition" .22 LRs.

It eats everything, even subsonic and cycles without complains.
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The Walther TPH is an excellent choice, but one has to be careful to get a good one (the last production run was rougher). They can be had for small money in fact, for about 250 bucks you get a unfired collector's item with box and papers.

They also have a rich history and also were issued for Secret Service.

But we have to be clear: out of the box they were meant for high velocity .22 ammo. They don't function reliably with normal or sub sonic.

There are also .22 LR versions of the Walther PPK, they are quite rare, and also feature the illness of not cycling every load properly.

The best option for a non non-sense .22 LR is a pistol of the Beretta 70/71 family. They have been proven in combat and eat everything. I stuffed so much crap ammo into mine and it did cycle everything like a champ. Also you can thread the barrel easily...to attach a flash hider or a sound moderator and it still runs like a champ. And size: I consider it a small pistol, not as small as a Bobcat...



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The Walther TPH was/is a great pistol, especially when tuned. But they're pricey.

The Beretta 21 Bobcat is a very good piece, easy to load, reasonably accurate, and light.

The S&W 2214 is a little larger but is surprisingly good, but it has a few sharp edges.

If you don't mind wheelguns, the little Smith model 63 is still the best of the mini-gun (revolver) breed.

The Walther PP, Bersa Thunder and Bernadelli model 80 are all decent to excellent options. Just a little larger than the subcompacts, they're generally more reliable and accurate than the micro sized guns.

For me, the Colt Sport Woodsman (1st gen) is still the most reliable and accurate for the size that is out there.
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I have heard that the Moassad used to rely on the Baretta
Model 70.
They know why.

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Another vote for Bersa. CCI Mini-Mags, 40gr solids, run flawlessly in mine. I had alot of issues with bulk ammo and Remington Thunderbolts.
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My Walther P22 was a little finicky on ammo at first but that pretty much stopped once it loosened up after 500 rounds or so. I can't remember the last time it jammed. I shoot mostly Federal HP bulk or those Winchester 333 boxes.
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