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Old 09-28-2011, 10:27 PM
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My son in law wants a Saiga 410. I have never heard anyone talk about one of these.

AK 47 style 410. Intreging to say the least.

Anyone have one of these?

Pros / Cons / Junk ???

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Old 09-29-2011, 02:00 PM
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I've got one in 12 gauge. They're fun but can take a little work to get them running 100% with all types of loads. Magazines are expensive. They can be restored to their original configuration with little work.

Curious as to why 410 and not 20 or 12 gauge though.

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Old 09-29-2011, 02:59 PM
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I have one in 12 also, The 410 ammo is just as expensive (if not more so), and the .410 version has a lot less aftermarket parts available. The 12 has a fairly large following and a ton of modifications you can do (folder, muzzle brake, 20rnd magazines).

Definitely not junk, they are built like tanks in the same factorie(s) in russia as the AK47, very good quality. Like Hungry said though, they have troubles cycling low brass shots until they are broken in well or have a few modifications done.

Talk him into the 12 gauge version unless he has a specific reason not to get that chambering.

My Saiga is my favorite gun.
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I assume the reason for getting a .410 rather than a 12 is to reduce recoil?


Still, I'd go with a 12 and do some work if necessary to get low-recoil 12ga rounds to cycle properly.
Possibly also add a (shotgun safe) muzzle brake if recoil is still a problem.
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I am un-sure why he choice the 410... its not recoil he has 2 12ga 3.5 mags and he love thems. He also has a Nova 12ga.

He stated out wanting the Braztec Rossie Circut Judge. He talked about a small game shot gun and then he turned on the Saiga...

I will share with him the lack of extras the 410 offers...

Thank you for your input...
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Remember to remind him. Unlike the judge the .410 saiga will not shoot .45LC. Maybe thats why he is wanting one. There is no modification that can be done to the 410 to make it shoot the .45LC. Aside from changing chamber depth, Barrel, Bolt, magazine.

I am only thinking this because you said judge.

There is someone out there working on a .444 marlin conversion. But I haven't heard much of it in a year or so.

Again. The .410 saiga will not shoot or even chamber .45 long colt.
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Again. The .410 saiga will not shoot or even chamber .45 long colt.
Well... If you held open the bolt and shoved a .45lc cartridge into the chamber, I suspect it would fire... With very poor accuracy and only as a single-shot... and it might not even eject properly, so you'd have to push it out with a cleaning rod...
And, on second thought, are 45lc pressures higher than .410 pressures? If so, it might be a very bad idea to make such an experiment.
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He stated out wanting the Braztec Rossie Circut Judge. He talked about a small game shot gun and then he turned on the Saiga...
Well, any 12ga can be used for small game... the only difference is that you can effectively use it from further away.

A saiga seems to be an odd choice for small-game gun though...
I don't see any reason why you'd want an assault-rifle style platform for hunting/exterminating small critters... Well, unless there were a LOT of them.


For a convenient small game gun, I'd consider something I saw at a gun show lately... A .410/.45lc single shot, break action pistol. Made by thompson center, if I recall correctly, and priced much cheaper than the judge. (I remember the price as $175, but I could be mis-remembering) The one I saw had a top rail for mounting optics, which would also be nice to have.
Sure, single shot might be less fun, but for game hunting purposes, you're not likely to get a second chance anyway, so one shot is all you really need.
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I thought of getting one for my son for when he gets older as just a range toy.
I cant see a serious survival use for it that a more common 12 couldnt handle.
Maybe 410 slugs are worth something with these?
I know Im not much help.
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A fact... 410 slug has the same energy as a 357 mag out to 75 yrds...

Oh I figure he thinks its tatical cool... thats most likely why he wants one
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[QUOTE=ocalhoun;3293760]Well... If you held open the bolt and shoved a .45lc cartridge into the chamber, I suspect it would fire... With very poor accuracy and only as a single-shot... and it might not even eject properly, so you'd have to push it out with a cleaning rod...
And, on second thought, are 45lc pressures higher than .410 pressures? If so, it might be a very bad idea to make such an experiment.

Yes a bad idea. It may fit in. But since it is .45 caliber. The bullet will not go down the pipe so to say. If you tried to do so you effectively made a gernade. The .410 is not chamberd to .45. The only reason a judge can take a .410 is because it is first a .45 then a .410. Shell case size may be close. But thats about it.

I think on another forum this was covered in more depth.
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.410 shells are so expensive and the gun itself takes constant tinkering. Buddy of mine got one and carried it for about two weeks and said it was the next best thing to spam, and has went back to his 20ga pump now. I guess it would make a great lamp post:>
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my wife has the Sega 410 we haven't had any trouble out of it. Nor my 20gauge it would be nice for the ammo to go down because it's fun to shoot at anything and everything plus it shoots the home defense judge ammo great
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I have been wanting a Saiga 12 for a while now, but they have doubled in price over the last couple years. Some import problem I believe. I know that the .410 version is half the price of a 12 so that may be his motivation.
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I shot those triple disc self protection rounds through a Saiga .410 the other day delicous.
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I've got one in 12 gauge. They're fun but can take a little work to get them running 100% with all types of loads. Magazines are expensive. They can be restored to their original configuration with little work.

Curious as to why 410 and not 20 or 12 gauge though.
i agree with the above. I have the 12 gauge version, and it can be a pain to get it to load reliably with a 10rnd mag, the shells seem to stick when extracting. We half a$$ solve this by spraying the shells with lube...

I wouldn't say its total junk, but that my exp with it.
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I have purchased a saiga ak 47/410 ,My carry is a Bond Snake Slayer 4.25. barrel, I chose the 410 Saiga to unify my ammo. The 410 protection round is a powerful shell .
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If he wants the .410 then by all means get it. the Saiga shot guns are all built very well but they can need some tweaking to run.
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I am un-sure why he choice the 410... its not recoil he has 2 12ga 3.5 mags and he love thems. He also has a Nova 12ga.

He stated out wanting the Braztec Rossie Circut Judge. He talked about a small game shot gun and then he turned on the Saiga...

I will share with him the lack of extras the 410 offers...

Thank you for your input...
12 gauge is fine for small game. Better than .410, even.
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sometimes shooting .410 is just plain fun and if you reload you can do pretty good on price.
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Its been proven you can stuff a 45 colt into a 410 chamber and it will fire. But a 45/410 gun actually has a 45 cal barrel, a 410 will be 41 cal. A bullet will come out the end, tho swaged down to fit, and barely able to hit anything smaller than say a barn.

The lower price of a 410 vs 12 ga version may seem to be a good thing. 410 ammo is 2x as much, wont take long to make it up.

A 444 marlin version would be an interesting thing.
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