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Old 07-14-2008, 08:13 AM
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I have a water well. The guy that drilled it for us drilled it 500 feet. Does anyone know how to convert an electric water well pump into a manual pump? I wouldnt want to convert it until necessary. Is it even possible for someone who doesnt know much about water wells? Also, would the 500 feet depth give me a problem?
Old 07-14-2008, 08:23 AM
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your pump is down in the well, so it cant be manual. they make deep well hand pumps that go to like 300 feet deep. they are costly, $1500 for bison pump for 60 foot depth. the cost goes up for deeper cuz you need more pipe. it can be installed on your existing well head while your electric is still there, its even supposed to be freeze resistant. 500 feet is very deep. that may cause problems for you.
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Because of how deep it is a solar powerd backup to run the eletric pump would be a good alternative.
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Because of how deep it is a solar powerd backup to run the eletric pump would be a good alternative.
+1 to this!

Also - you may need to change your pump to one that is specifically designed to support solar power. The whole rig is sort of expensive, but not more so than getting a hand-pump that can pull from 500'.
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Your well is 500', but is your water line down that far?
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Static water table and casing depth are much more important than the overall depth of the well, you may have a 40 foot water table that with a jet could work with a basic "Picture Pump" ... the reason for a Deep well is to provide Volume.. if the well was tagged, it should show the depth of the casing, and the SWT as well as the overall depth.

You can make a PVC Hand pump with sections of PVC pipe and a check valve... think of it like a Straw and glass of water... as the pvc is thrust into the water, it offsets the checkvalve and increases the water in the pvc, till it comes out the top... with a deep well, the pipe will become heavy, and a tripod with a block and rope can be used... ~Ace~
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i dont think anyone would dig a 500 foot well if there was water 40 feet down. my well is like 180 ft and you cant see the water line with a 1 million candlepower light.
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I had to ask my husband these questions and this is what he said. The water table is at 125. My husband said they drilled to 500 because they looking for a deeper sand at 325, but didn't find it until 400 ft, but because of the shell breaks he drilled to 500 ft and finally stopped because it was getting too expensive. Our water production is 50 gallons a minute and the level of water in the well doesn't drop below 75foot.
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Have you considered using a wind mill which costs about the same as solar?

This may assist in some way..........
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[QUOTE=mich@el;196183]Have you considered using a wind mill which costs about the same as solar?

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My well is also at 500 ft. I couldn't find a windmill that would bring water up from over 350 ft.

This deep, the well won't/shouldn't go dry, but how to get the water up is the problem..... I guess I will check solar.
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My husband said that the windmill only has to pull water from the depth the water will rise up to, not the depth of the well. Our water rises to 75 ft to the surface.

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Take it from a guy who has wells with an electric pump, a windmill, a hand pump, and a solar electric pump:

You need to find the static head -- the level of the water in the well pipe. I'm guessing yours is several hundred feet deep. If so:

No way will a hand pump be feasible.

A windmill is a possibility with enough wind.

A solar pump is probably your best option. There are many articles on this subject in Home Power magazine, and they are available on-line.

Your probably looking at about $5,000 for a good solar installation: panels, a solar tracker rack, a pump capable of working at that head depth, water pipes for the pump, a linear booster for the pump, a battery, a controller for the battery, wiring, etc.

A lot of money but gives you an uninterruptible water supply at no future cost.
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My water well is 480 foot deep, but the water table is about 36 feet. They run the casing down so deep, to get to good clean water. The water in the casing rises up to the level of the water table, which is 36 feet. Not all pumps are submersible type, that drop down into the casing. Mine bolts onto the top of the casing, and a suction pipe, with a foot valve goes down to a level that is some what below the water table, maybe 80 to 100 foot? I could take my electric pump off, and attach a hand pump to the casing, and I would be pumping water from 36 feet down, more or less. Cheap hand pumps can be bought for less than $100, but they won't work if your water table is much more than about where mine is. At times, my water table might even be closer than that. I had a pond dug with a bull dozer. At about 7 feet, he hit water that started bubbling up, so he stopped and drug the blade back over it to plug the hole. He said if we went any deeper, it wouldn't hold water during dry times when the water table dropped.
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[quote=RosesInWinter;197960][QUOTE=mich@el;196183]Have you considered using a wind mill which costs about the same as solar?

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My well is also at 500 ft. I couldn't find a windmill that would bring water up from over 350 ft.

This deep, the well won't/shouldn't go dry, but how to get the water up is the problem..... I guess I will check solar.
Check the schematic on the left of my post. a 14' windmill will bring water up from 400+ feet. It all has to do with the size of the fan on top and they come waaay bigger than 14'.

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you may find this interesting:

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=12174
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I saw in a magazine where they made a container out of PVC pipe and a check ball to lower down the well to get water.
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Have you considered using a wind mill which costs about the same as solar?



Check the schematic on the left of my post. a 14' windmill will bring water up from 400+ feet. It all has to do with the size of the fan on top and they come waaay bigger than 14'.
THANKS. I am struggling with this..... anything to do with electricity is just difficult for me - don't know why - I can do the math, but there's some sort of comprehension problem.

There is usually a breeze here, sometimes HUGE winds, and I have a big water storage tank, almost 4,000 gallons.
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