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Old 09-01-2011, 04:41 AM
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I did a quick search for this and couldn't find anything that fit.

My wife and I are looking to get a dog probably within the next year. Our front-runner is a Rhodesian Ridgeback, but if we were to get some land I'm thinking more along the lines of a Great Dane.

During a SHTF scenario, man's best friend could be quite useful for many reasons. Please comment on what your best choice of dog would be for a SHTF scenario. Obviously this is a very open-ended question, so just state something like this.

Situation: Collapse of all government and society crumbles into small communes and remote farms. If I were living on a farm in western United States I would want a pair of Great Danes. Pros: They're big and intimidating enough to ward off predators or solitary humans. They can keep up with my horses when I patrol the perimeter. Cons: They eat a lot of food. They can't live in cramped spaces. They have a short life-span.
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My Toby is part Lab, part ?, in other words a mutt. And he's priceless. A friend, protector and a damn good listener. He is kind and gentle, but stands up to any stranger, until we let him know they are OK, then he's fine. He keeps deer out of our garden, is overly protective of small children. Basically, perfect member of the family. Pedigree is not everything, you may just need to look at your local pound. There are some true treasures there.
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well supposing a severe collapse of infrastructure and the inherent issues with supply and demand.
The best dog for shtf would likely be marinated, but I guess bbq'd or dried could work in a pinch!
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Great Danes are great dogs but large breed dogs have some issues. I own a bull mastiff and like all big dogs hips are a big issue. The big flopy ears are a great place for bacteria to grow in the ear so cleaning is needed. When they eat it is best to have elevated bowls for their neck/digestive track. And man they eat! Mine eats about 3-4 measured cups of dry dog food twice daily and is not fat at 130 lbs. He also consumes large amounts of water esp when hot and vet bills / heart worm meds are costly because of his size. Love my dog but thought I would give you a heads up on some of it.
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Shetland Sheep Dog,,,they are hard workers, smart, aren't huge, live long, great companions.
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Theres been lots of threads on this, but none mention a Great Dane.

First of all I would access what sort of family you are and what breed of dog is best suited for it. Dont just go with any breed because they might not suit you in temperatment or lifestyle needs.

Then I would take yourself off to the local rescue centre and get to know the breeds you are thinking off - do some volunteering and dog walking. There are great dogs in rescue, they just need special handling for a while to help them settle in and most need some training.

The problem with great Danes is they may come with a lot of health problems and need special care from puppy hood. They would also need lots of food, and medicines.

On average most people on here go for shepherding, gun or guarding breeds, such as German Shepherds, Labradors etc., as well as the small terriers who are great for catching rodents and rabbits.

The other option is the mongrel cross breed, which is more hardy then pedigree but you dont have such a pick of temperament. I personally go with the mongrel every time. I can recommend the collie x german shepherd which are highly intelligent, but do need a lot of exercise and may ankle nip.

Heres a website Iv used in the past and found their information to be on form:

Do the quiz and it will tell which breeds are best for your lifestyle and give thorough backgrounds on each.
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I have put some thought into this as-well. We currently have a large American Bull dog 90 pounds of pure muscle. Just an FYI he eats exactly 3 cups of dog food once per day. I agree with your pros and cons. I think a small lap dog could be useful too if it were a good barker and would not eat much. I do like the intimidation factor of a large dog though.
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ID:	55339 Here's my Dane. He's 150 pounds, extremely good natured but VERY protective. He's not a big eater he actually eats less then my German Shepard did. Good dog for protection and intimidation.
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Just wanted to also say that i love the big dogs too, but the cost factor is too much, a ridgeback purebread isn't cheap, and then to learn their lifespan is like 5 years makes it impractical.

The bigger the dog, the bigger the cost in terms of everything,,,health issues, food, life span, having a huge dog just doesn't add up in the end for a SHTF type situation.
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What breed of dog you get should be determined by what you want it to do. Do you want the dog to guard livestock? then get a livestock guardian breed. If you want something to deter intruders, then get a breed that was developed to be a guard dog.

Get a book that tells about the different breeds (The AKC Dog Book is excellent, and your public library should have a copy), read it, and learn the purpose for which the various breeds were developed. Most breeds have specific characteristics that are part of their genetic makeup--for example, Dachshunds were specifically developed to dig down and go into badger holes and drag that varmint out of there. Digging is an inherent breed trait. Likewise, Dalmations were developed to run alongside the coaches of the nobility--they NEED a lot of exercise--it's in their genetic makeup.

One thing that might help you is to sit down and make a list of the characteristics that you are looking for in a dog. Then, go through the dog book and find a breed that fits most of your criteria. You probably won't find one that fits ALL of them, but you can undoubtedly find one that fits quite a few. Learn the "bad" traits of the breed as well (do they shed excessively? Are they escape artists? Are they going to dig up your yard or chase your other animals?) and find out if you can live with the bad as well as the good (NO animal is "perfect"). Finally, when you decide on a breed and actually get the dog, TAKE IT TO OBEDIENCE CLASSES, and learn how to work with the dog! Obedience classes are as much (or more) about training YOU as well as the dog! Above all, be CONSISTANT! Don't let a puppy (just because you think it's "cute") get away with something you don't want the full-grown beast to do. You'll only be encouraging bad behavior, and the dog won't understand why something that's always been "OK" all of a sudden ISN'T.
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we had a ridge back when I was young, one of the greatest dogs we ever had loyal and damn protective but he was properly trained, now I have a little result of an orgy, he hasn't had the proper training but knows some basic commands great dog little eater and has great ears lets us know when something isn't right but still isn't a yappy ****. His pic is my avatar
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We have a Ridgeback, they are wonderful BUT they tend to run. A fence is vital as sometimes they catch a sniff and they're off! They also need a fair amount of exercise. We got ours at a shelter, purebred but dumped because no true ridge. They are intensely loyal and very protective.
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FWIW.....Danes were bred to hunt large game tho they have not been selectively bred to do that for quite some time. I grew up with Dane and the 2 downsides are 1) short hair gets woven into EVERYTHING and is a witch to clean up. 2) They slobber......OMG do they slobber. I was 5 before I was tall enough that they did not spit on my head. Love 'em but do not have them for these reasons. They are HAPPY dogs and anybody near a happy Dane is beaten 1/2 to death by the wagging tail<smile>.

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A dogs only real use PSHTF is as an early warning device!
Dogs are no match for humans in a fight even unarmed humans!
that is unless you can teach it to shoot!
The dog needs good hearing and smell and to be well trained
It dont need to be big and or savage as that will just get it killed quick!
A fox terrior trained and in good condition is probably optimum!
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I think that your best dog is one that you are comfortable working with.

For me, that leaves out the roughest breeds. I would work best with a WATCH dog more than a guard dog.
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Hands down, no doubt in my mind and I have never owned one

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Hands down, no doubt in my mind and I have never owned one

Unless and until you HAVE owned one ( or more), do not think of them as Dream Dogs. They are a major PITA. They are NOT obedient, they are powerful and MUST be trained. Tho even then they obey when they choose<smile>. I am on Kpups #9 and 10 so I do have an idea of what I am talking about. Pyrs are much easier for most folks to deal with. They do not take heavy handling and are very much cats in big hairy dog suits<smile>.

They shed, they require fencing/crates that will hold a bear<smile> and take training every day of their lives. When they blow coat it looks like a sheep has exploded in your yard. Boarding them if you want to take a vacation is a hassle.

After all THAT, they were used as palace guards in the 1500s. If you even blink wrong at me/my kids, if can be a Bad Thing. They can hunt game and guard a newborn goat. They are NOT a breed for everybody. I adore them when I am not swearing at them<mile>.

And to the other poster's comment about dogs as warning only and not able to stop a man.....I personally know some Kpups that have beat c*** out of mountain lions so if you think a man, unarmed, is bigger, faster and more dangerous than a mountain lion, so be it. But a dog of this type is a HUGE commitment for safety of all concerned.....humans and the dogs.

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Here's another thread on the topic in the Trapping and Hunting section
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If you want protection a belgian malinois or dutch shepherd would be my only choice. If you want a dog that can help feed the family I'd say a german shorthair or wire haired pointer depending on your location.
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A quality breed German Shorthaird or Wirehaired Pointer from hunting lines. A well bred and trained dog from those two breeds will hunt fur and feather, blood track, retrieve, and if from the right lines will have a protective instinct.
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