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Old 08-25-2011, 01:36 PM
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Well I'm moving out for college fairly soon and I wanted to bring something nice with me when I head up North since I'll be on my own. I'm working on a little BOB, something with an internal frame.

To start off, I was thinking about pretty much using whatever our military is using. I'm pretty certain they use Colt ARs but I really don't know. I've been around guns since I was able to walk so I don't really want to start small. I figured I would learn the gun inside out aswell. Pretty much the question is.. Colt AR-15 the way to go? Should I go cheaper and get Bushmaster? If it all goes down I just want to be prepared. I figure I'd eventually get a .410 or 12 gauge for the apartment for the whole home defense thing.

At the moment a handgun is out of the question, only 18 and I rather not buy a friend's.

As for an all around knife.. KABAR the way to go? Is this what the military uses? Maybe buying what our armed forces use may not be a good idea all around but it's all I can come up with.

As for the BOB, I'm a pretty small guy, 120lbs 5' 5". So I figure a lighter weight internal framed pack would be nice? You tell me.

I might add some more things but thanks for the help in advance!
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if money were no object, i'd get a Colt 6920 without thinking twice about it
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Honestly, I think Colt over charges for what they produce now. There are plenty of companies making more affordable, yet highly reliable options.

But the big question is, are you living on campus? If so, is your college going to let you bring an AR15? Most I know of have no gun policies, or require them to be in lockup.
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Honestly, I think Colt over charges for what they produce now. There are plenty of companies making more affordable, yet highly reliable options.

But the big question is, are you living on campus? If so, is your college going to let you bring an AR15? Most I know of have no gun policies, or require them to be in lockup.
I'll be living off campus so I'm free to do as I please. What companies make high quality AR 15s that you know of?

I really should know more :/.
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I'll be living off campus so I'm free to do as I please. What companies make high quality AR 15s that you know of?

I really should know more :/.
Well, usually, the ABCD's work well...

Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, DPMS.

If you're going for high end, Larue Tactical, Daniel Defense, etc. have very good reps.

It really depends on if your price range is $800 or $4000.
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Well, usually, the ABCD's work well...

Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, DPMS.

If you're going for high end, Larue Tactical, Daniel Defense, etc. have very good reps.

It really depends on if your price range is $800 or $4000.
Oh right thanks man. I'll do some looking around.
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if you want all the stuff the military uses, why don't you join?
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if you want all the stuff the military uses, why don't you join?
Seeing that this board looks pretty pro military I'll keep my opinions to myself but joining the military would defeat the purpose. I know what they use is efficient, so I may as well use it too. I don't want to support the US Army in any way whatsoever as well.
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You can also look at the Sig 556. If you get an AR15 that is rated for .556 ammunition, you will be able to use either .223 OR .556. If you get an AR15 in a .223 rating, you cannot use the .556 ammo.

There are also a couple of companies that put out a AR15 in a "pistol" type configuration (no stock or folding stock). Makes it easier (and lighter) to put in your BOB.

Good luck in choosing.
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Stag puts out a nice AR. Last I knew, they were the only ones putting out a leftie AR as well. though things may have changed since then. My BIL has one, thing is a beast in all ways.
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I think the AR is an excellent choice. regardless of which mfg you decide on, consider upgrading your barrel and your trigger eventually. Also, try to think of the AR as a platform for creating your perfect rifle and not just a prepackaged item. The more you research it, the more you will see that you can "build" exactly what you want. (Budget permitting)!
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Colts are nice (as long as they are current), but overpriced.

I would bet that 50% of the AR’s I fix or try and fix at the range are Bushmasters. I would never buy one.

Right now I think the best bank for the buck is the Smith and Wesson M&P15’s. And just about every magazine writer/operator and Law Enforcement Agency seem to think so also.

Stay away from piston guns. If you are on a budget the extra cost of them is simply not worth the money. I have piston and gas impingement AR’s. They both have their plusses and minuses.
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If you are looking to buy like, now.

THe best deal going right now IMO is at aimsurplus.com. They have a nice complete Spikes Tactical AR15 with detachable charging handle for seven hundred something bucks.

Spikes is top of the line stuff that stands by their guns.
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Colts are nice (as long as they are current), but overpriced.

I would bet that 50% of the AR’s I fix or try and fix at the range are Bushmasters. I would never buy one.

Right now I think the best bank for the buck is the Smith and Wesson M&P15’s. And just about every magazine writer/operator and Law Enforcement Agency seem to think so also.

Stay away from piston guns. If you are on a budget the extra cost of them is simply not worth the money. I have piston and gas impingement AR’s. They both have their plusses and minuses.
I haven't heard much about the piston thing. But I'll check out the S&W Ar, thanks guys for sure.
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Lots of quality AR's out there,stay away from cheaper non mil-spec guns.Colt,LMT,Daniele Defense ect..are all top tier.DPMS,Bushmaster,Olympic may ok for an ocasional "plinker" but that's about it.You can build your own AR much cheaper than buying one also.It's super easy and you'll know how it all works and how to repair it .
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Colt overcharges and just like Remington, they are starting to roll out crappy products, my dad has a pre discontinuation Colt Mil/LE AR and I love it, but of the newer ones I've shot recently I've found I don't enjoy them as much, go with the bushmaster for 800, can't beat it.
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I haven't heard much about the piston thing.
The “piston” guns have a different operating system than the original AR design. The original design (Direct Impingement or “DI”) uses the “combustion” gasses to cycle the bolt. The side effect being that those gasses are blown into the upper receiver and foul up the “workings” of the rifle, it runs hotter, you have to clean it more, etc. Keep in mind just about every one of our guys on the ground is running the old system and it works just fine.

In the last few years “piston” guns have become more popular. These do not blow “combustion” gasses into the upper receiver so they run cleaner, cooler, you don’t have to clean them as much, etc. They are more complex, heavier and more expensive though.

I have both kinds and it doesn’t make much difference to me. I clean them after shooting anyway. My “DI” guns have never gotten so dirty that they failed to run, even after 1500+rds. Granted the maker of my piston gun claims you can go 15,000rds without cleaning or lube. I haven’t tried that yet.
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If you want to learn the gun inside and out like you say, why not build your own.
There are many places where you can buy a kit that comes complete with an assembled upper and all the part to complete a stripped lower reciever.
These kits, depending on the manufacturer, can run as little as $500.00.
Stripped lowers can be had for around $100.00.
Building your own would alow you to gain the knowledge to troubleshoot any problems as well.

Just a thought.
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A very frequent and excellent poster on this board is Crutch.

He posted a video recently showing some "dirt time". Included in the video is him talking about his KelTec PLR 16. It comes at 2:38 into the video. This model is chambered in 5.56, which as I mentioned earlier is a plus.



You might want to check this out as an option.
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I have both a Colt and a Bushmaster. Both are excellent. The Colt is "rated" higher by the AR community. The Bushmaster is not a "plinker" either. 4150 chrome lined barrel. Very good product and popular for a reason. You can get a new Colt SP 6920 now for around $1,000 with no need for upgrades in quality. Colt is the "gold standard" in AR's. Excellent resale value based on name alone. Spend the extra $150 or so over some of the others.
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