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Old 08-19-2011, 01:40 AM
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For some reason, this awesome vehicle is not sold to civilians here in the land of its birth.
http://www.jgms.com/
http://www.jeep-j8.com/index.html

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Old 08-19-2011, 08:09 AM
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They are Jeeps, they will get you there but your not going to have much supplies, they lack cargo capacity and payload!

That is why the U.S. military got rid of them back in the 1980's for the HUMVEE...
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You did see that there were many variants, didn't you? And they have a 2 ton payload? I don't want a giant truck to bug out in. I want something with a decent payload, good fuel economy, that can squeeze through some tight places, and it has to be capable in almost any situation. These vehicles are not the same thing as an M151 military jeep from 30 years ago (when I was in the Army). Spend some time researching. You'll see these are pretty awesome vehicles.
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Here is the commercial version done by American Expedition Vehicles.
http://www.aev-conversions.com/vehicles/j8_milspec.php
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For some reason, this awesome vehicle is not sold to civilians here in the land of its birth.
http://www.jgms.com/
http://www.jeep-j8.com/index.html
International Scout or the 50's Jeep Kaiser would get my vote. The mid 80's military surplus blazer diesels are also an excellent choice. Affordability is a factor to consider.
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First off, from what I've heard those VM diesels (like they put in the 05,06 Liberty) had timing belts...not good for a BOV.

Even though they aren't sold to the public, you could built one easy enough. Get yourself a 4bt Cummins and a Dana 44 for the front and a Dana 60for the rear; put the stuff on your civy Jeep and you got the same thing (except with a much better engine.)
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I wonder if the actual military vehicles have timing belts? That 4bt is pretty loud, isn't it?
I've seen those in Toyota FJ60 with good results. I think you have to put in a lift kit due to the height of the engine though.
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For what it's worth when I saw a few of these examples at a defense industry trade show I had noticed that the few I inspected were all assembled in Egypt.
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Here's a nice BOV I like it , lots of cargo room
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Here is the commercial version done by American Expedition Vehicles.
http://www.aev-conversions.com/vehicles/j8_milspec.php
I like that
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I drive by the AEV (American Expedition Vehicles) shop on my way to work. They do some awesome mods to jeeps, but they are pricey and filled with electronics.

I'll stick with my classic bronco, thanks
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You did see that there were many variants, didn't you? And they have a 2 ton payload? I don't want a giant truck to bug out in. I want something with a decent payload, good fuel economy, that can squeeze through some tight places, and it has to be capable in almost any situation. These vehicles are not the same thing as an M151 military jeep from 30 years ago (when I was in the Army). Spend some time researching. You'll see these are pretty awesome vehicles.
Didn't see any variant in the first link that had a 2 ton payload.
Could you point out which had it. After download several of the PDF's the highest payload I saw wa 2,7xx lbs. Just under 1.5 tons.
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I wonder if the actual military vehicles have timing belts? That 4bt is pretty loud, isn't it?
I've seen those in Toyota FJ60 with good results. I think you have to put in a lift kit due to the height of the engine though.
Pretty sure the military has never actually purchased one of these things. Also, a 4bt is known to viberate, but mounted in proper engine mounted and tuned correctly it will run just as smooth as any 6bt in a Dodge truck.
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If it's any guide, the old Chevy/Ford/Dodge pickup in half ton or 3/4 ton size will be what is around fifty years from now, probably even rustier and more beat-to-hell than now, but that is the nature of the game....
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Personal choice for me is M715 pickup. Mfg by Jeep/Kaiser from 67-69, 1.25 ton suspension, looks like a J-series pickup, but with soft top.

On www.M715zone.com very similar site to this one, but all about those trucks.

We've had members put everything from 4bts to 502 caddy motors in those trucks.

Main swaps are sbc motors, newer 1-ton axles (as the old ones are drums only) and upgraded np205 xfer cases.

Downsides? big hoods, heavy trucks (6,000# curb weight), but solid, and with the mods mentioned, very reliable.

Can be bought on ebay for $5000 or so with motor already swapped in, or cheap as $1000 or so in barebones shape.

Also had ambulance body version (own one), downside to metal box is very tall truck.

Short of wheel armored vehicle, which isn't very practical, think small diesel engine, 6 speed tranny, and common parts.

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The m715 is a great choice to have in the real world.Not for the ear ringed quiche eaters or the p.c. starbucks crowd ,but for the real world 4x4 you can`t go wrong with your pick.
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Timing belts are not bad,they have a long service life and you just change them at the factory recommended schedule.You just need to plan ahead for the maintenance.
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You did see that there were many variants, didn't you? And they have a 2 ton payload? I don't want a giant truck to bug out in. I want something with a decent payload, good fuel economy, that can squeeze through some tight places, and it has to be capable in almost any situation. These vehicles are not the same thing as an M151 military jeep from 30 years ago (when I was in the Army). Spend some time researching. You'll see these are pretty awesome vehicles.
I had a 1951-M38 Jeep in high school. It would go any where I wanted it to.
Down side, no heater, AC, Soft Top, Top end speed 51mph, that was ok because the brake were horrbile. On a cool summer's day I wish I still had it.
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look into a bmw 524td engine. they are timing belt but they are smooth,quiet, and will run 35+mpg. not the torque of the 4bt but better economy. They will run 200k miles dependably. How many more do you need?
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