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Old 08-17-2011, 10:42 PM
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How do you read these provident pantry #10 can expiration dates? Last week I ordered the breakfast combo pack from emergency essentials. The expiration dates on the mountain house cans are clearly marked, but the provident pantry cans have some kind of code on them.

Provident Pantry instant nonfat fortified milk:
FE-M750
1611214 1651


Provident Pantry freeze-dried strawberry slices:
FN-S120 5113300
0211168 0800


Provident Pantry low-fat granola cinnamon almond:
FS-G175 10052
0511216 0901


Provident Pantry fortified orange drink mix:
FS-B120 11109
9911119 1246


All of the codes have a large 1 to the left side.

The mountain house scrambled egg with ham and the scrambled eggs with bacon have an expiration date of June and July 2036. This date is clearly marked.

Overall, I like the breakfast combo pack. You get 2 #10 cans of eggs, 2 #10 cans of drink mix, and 2 #10 cans of a side dish - granola and strawberry slices.
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:05 PM
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If the canneries would standardize on a date coding system, it'd be easier. But most of them use some form of julian date code. Here's a link that explains some of them.

http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/ftjan05.htm
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Default Julian Date Codes

I'm having the same problem with Alpine Aire Gourmet Reserves, they don't have an expiration date on their cans either. But at their site, they explain their codes this way:

"99101 MOUNTAIN CHILI 03110-6226

The first numbers 99101 is the product ID number followed by the name of the product.

The next five digits 03110 is the Julian Date code. 031 represents the calendar day of the year or January 31st. 10 represents the year produced.

The last four digits 6226 represent out LOT #."


So out of 1611214 1651 on your milk, those last four numbers, 1651, are probably a LOT number.

If you'll notice, the fourth digit of the first number you posted, ie 1611214, is always a 1. So the date is probably 1611. The first three numbers, 161, are probably a Julian date (http://amsu.cira.colostate.edu/julian.html), which would be June 10, 2011.

Now depending on whose site your read, your product could last from 10-25 years from that date.

I really wish these manufacturers would stand behind their products and place a definite expiration date. Maybe we should all start complaining...
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I count all my #10 cans as being able to be stored for 7-10 years, unless I know it has a product with a longer shelf life. It won't "go bad", the nutrition will just gradually decrease.
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I count all my #10 cans as being able to be stored for 7-10 years, unless I know it has a product with a longer shelf life. It won't "go bad", the nutrition will just gradually decrease.

On my Provident Pantry cans, I put on expiration date of 5-7 years, but basically, we are both guessing. As much as this food cost, the manufacturers should stand behind their products and place an expiration date on the can.

Mountain House stamps on an expiration date, so it shouldn't be that difficult for other brands.

I think we should all start complaining...
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Thanks for the question Kev! MikeK is correct that most canneries use julian date codes when they stamp the bottoms of the cans.

Julian date codes are usually a four or five digit number where the first one or two numbers stand for the year the product was packaged and the last three numbers are the day of the year. If you were looking at an older MRE, you may see the number 9020. That would mean that the MRE was packaged on January 20, 2009.

Using the specific cans that you listed in your original post, here is how to read the dates:

Provident Pantry instant nonfat fortified milk:
FE-M750
1611214 1651
August 2, 2011

Provident Pantry freeze-dried strawberry slices:
FN-S120 5113300
0211168 0800
June 17, 2011

Provident Pantry low-fat granola cinnamon almond:
FS-G175 10052
0511216 0901
August 4, 2011

Provident Pantry fortified orange drink mix:
FS-B120 11109
9911119 1246
April 29, 2011

The reason why we don't stamp expiration dates on any of our Provident Pantry labeled cans is that the shelf-life will vary depending on how you are storing the cans.

If you were to store your food storage at a constant 90 degrees, the food would have a much shorter shelf-life than it would if you were storing it at a constant 60 degrees.

In order to get the longest shelf-life out of your foods, we suggest keeping them at a consistent temperature that is 72 degrees or lower. Also, it is important keep your #10 cans and other food storage away from light, moisture, and oxygen.

As long your food storage is stored properly (using the guidelines listed above), dehydrated foods have a best if used by shelf-life of 10 years and freeze dried foods have a best if used by shelf-life of 25 years. There are also many other products, such as wheat, rice, and rolled oats, that have a 30 year shelf-life. After these marks, you can still use your food storage but you may notice a change in flavor, texture, and there may be a decrease in the nutrition levels of the food.

Click here for a great article over on our website with more information about food storage shelf-life and the difference between a "best if used by" date and an "expiration" date.
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I just purchased a #10 can of Provident Pantry freeze dried green peas with a stamp on the bottom of the can reading 44 13 273, which I understand means product number 44 (freeze dried green peas), manufactured on the 273rd day of 2013. Unfortunately the link in the previous post to the article about expiration date vs. best-by date is dead, and searching the Emergency Essentials website gave no results. Also, their FAQ does not address this issue.

Is there a current link to the article? In the meanwhile, I'm happy to read that Provident Pantry freeze dried items are generally good for 25 years when stored correctly.
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http://beprepared.com/education/shelf-life


They say 25 or more for freeze dried and 30 or more for dehydrated......or up to anyway.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I went ahead and wrote the production and best-by dates on the bottom of the can. I'll try to make something with peas before 2038, otherwise I'll just leave the can to my grandchildren in my will.
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I'm a little confused about the shelf life of my foods.

I was looking up on the Internet the shelf life of different brands and entering the lowest and highest into my database. Then putting the lowest as the expiration date.

HeartofTexas: any reason why only 5 to 7 years for Provident Pantry? I'm not sure now if I need to change my dates.

I decided a few years back to only buy FD and DH foods because we eat mostly meat, berries, nuts and eggs so wouldn't be able to rotate the common LTS foods of rice, beans, oats and wheat. So I figured, buy the #10 cans, store them and forget about them. I didn't plan on using them in under 25 years except for some of the 10 year items like cereal that I bought for the grandkids.

What is everybody doing for the shelf life?
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What kind of nuts and how are you storing them? And if SHTF turns into years and years, can you replace them?
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On my Provident Pantry cans, I put on expiration date of 5-7 years, but basically, we are both guessing. As much as this food cost, the manufacturers should stand behind their products and place an expiration date on the can.
Just an FYI: In the past year I've opened a number of Provident Pantry, Honeyville, and Mountain House #10 cans of chicken and beef that were between 3 and 10 years old, with the majority of them being only 4 to 6 years old. These cans were kept in a dry, cool location prior to my opening them. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed in the results.

All of the Mountain House cans were fine (great, actually). One Provident Pantry can was bad (the chicken pieces looked shriveled, discolored- all dark brown, just nasty looking). Most of the Provident Pantry meats and almost all of the Honeyville meat simply would not completely rehydrate, even if I soaked them in hot water or simmered them in water or broth for a couple of hours. The middle of the chunks of meat just remained FD to the point of being crunchy! From now on, we only buy Mountain House FD meats.
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What kind of nuts and how are you storing them? And if SHTF turns into years and years, can you replace them?
We eat any kind of nuts but we don't store them. I buy enough ahead to finish them before the expire date. I don't think they are good candidates for LTS. If we have to live on our FD and DH foods, we will do that happily but we prefer not to eat that way every day.
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Just an FYI: In the past year I've opened a number of Provident Pantry, Honeyville, and Mountain House #10 cans of chicken and beef that were between 3 and 10 years old, with the majority of them being only 4 to 6 years old. These cans were kept in a dry, cool location prior to my opening them. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed in the results.

All of the Mountain House cans were fine (great, actually). One Provident Pantry can was bad (the chicken pieces looked shriveled, discolored- all dark brown, just nasty looking). Most of the Provident Pantry meats and almost all of the Honeyville meat simply would not completely rehydrate, even if I soaked them in hot water or simmered them in water or broth for a couple of hours. The middle of the chunks of meat just remained FD to the point of being crunchy! From now on, we only buy Mountain House FD meats.
Well CRUD! Thanks for sharing. Guess I'll stick with Mountain House but 20% of my #10 cans are Provident Pantry. That stinks. I worried about menu fatigue plus MH doesn't have everything.

Is there a thread with information on the various food company products? Nobody wants to open food ten years from now and find out it's no good.
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We eat any kind of nuts but we don't store them. I buy enough ahead to finish them before the expire date. I don't think they are good candidates for LTS. If we have to live on our FD and DH foods, we will do that happily but we prefer not to eat that way every day.
I place my nuts in a canning jar with an O2 absorber. My oldest nuts are 4 years old and still good. I had some nuts in jars without the O2 absorber and they went rancid in two years.
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I place my nuts in a canning jar with an O2 absorber. My oldest nuts are 4 years old and still good. I had some nuts in jars without the O2 absorber and they went rancid in two years.
How do you know when nuts go bad? Four years would be great. Would you get the same results using Mylar bags and oxygen absorbers?
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How do you know when nuts go bad? Four years would be great. Would you get the same results using Mylar bags and oxygen absorbers?
Dw and I make most of our meals from our food storage. We buy nuts (walnuts, pecans, almonds, ect) two or three times a year and use the oldest first. The first nuts we put up did not have O2 absorbers and they were the only nuts that went rancid. Storage in Mylar should work fine. I would not expect 30 years storage. I hope for more then 5 years. Managing food storage is a learning process. We found store canned vegitables last about 5 years then the cans start to fail. This week we found a jar of home canned apple sauce with a lid that had rusted through from the inside. It was three years old.
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We eat so few carbs that most of the foods the preppers store and rotate (rice, beans, oats, wheat) don't work for us. I decided to start buying freeze dried meats to mix in with the Mountain House meals to lower the carb count.

People say they store low carb like whole wheat and beans but when I say low carb I mean LOOOOOW carb, like 25 carbs a day and many times even less.

Carbs make me hungry and then I gain weight so I mostly avoid them. Eating low carb got DH off metformin and his sugar down to mostly around 100. The doctor was ecstatic.
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