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Old 08-10-2011, 11:06 AM
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Just wondering if anyone can suggest some CA-legal rifles comparable to the Mini-14. I'm looking for the following:

Centerfire
Reasonable power (.223, .308, .30-06, etc)
Semi-automatic
Capable of taking detatchable magazines of 20+ rounds.

I want something that can do those things legally. ARs are not legal in CA unless they have a "bullet button", and even then that was established via a loophole in the language of the law which may be overruled soon. Also, it is illegal to make any modifications to a bullet button in CA, so any such guns are out of the question.

Just looking for suggestions.
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I've had wonderful luck with my SU-16C, but I think it runs afoul of the Kali laws, as the CA variant was also made by Kel-tec to be California compliant. You might check that out.
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Everything in the "survival" mindset screams to move out of Kalifonia now. Even a belt-fed, full power, select fire, vehicle mounted, computer controlled weapon means nothing if you are facing 5 million starving people who want what you have.

Sorry, but one gun is not the solution to the bigger problem you have.
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Kel-tec su-16A is californy legal. I used to have one. Or a bullet buttoned AR.

Nothing wrong with a mini-14 though. And if you want something bigger then .223 go with an M1A. Semi auto .308.

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Old 08-10-2011, 11:34 AM
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I've had wonderful luck with my SU-16C, but I think it runs afoul of the Kali laws, as the CA variant was also made by Kel-tec to be California compliant. You might check that out.
I used to own an SU-16CA(?), the California-legal model. Had to sell it to pay my bills one month...it was a sad month.

I don't mind the SU-16, it's a nice gun. Lightweight and accurate, as well as being compatible with AR mags. Always felt a bit flimsy to me, though.

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Everything in the "survival" mindset screams to move out of Kalifonia now. Even a belt-fed, full power, select fire, vehicle mounted, computer controlled weapon means nothing if you are facing 5 million starving people who want what you have.

Sorry, but one gun is not the solution to the bigger problem you have.
I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, there are three "anchors" holding me here right now. A house I can't sell, a Grandmother I have to help take care of, and a good-paying job I don't want to give up. Leaving CA isn't an option right now.

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Kel-tec su-16A is californy legal. I used to have one. Or a bullet buttoned AR.

Nothing wrong with a mini-14 though. And if you want something bigger then .223 go with an M1A. Semi auto .308.

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I wasn't aware that the M1A was legal in CA. If so, that's definitely an option.

Bullet-button AR isn't an option. It's illegal to modify the button. While gun laws are less important in a SHTF situation, I intend to train with the same equipment I will use and don't want a cop rolling up on me while I have a 30-round mag loaded in the thing.
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Centerfire
Semi-automatic
Capable of taking detatchable magazines of 20+ rounds.
Those three will make a rifle an "assault weapon by feature" in CA. Possession is a felony.

Edit: FAIL, I was thinking the AR with those. No evil feature = good to go. Sorry. Adding a magazine that's 20+ and not already in the state is a crime, however.

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I want something that can do those things legally. ARs are not legal in CA unless they have a "bullet button", and even then that was established via a loophole in the language of the law which may be overruled soon. Also, it is illegal to make any modifications to a bullet button in CA, so any such guns are out of the question.
No, that "loophole" isn't going anywhere soon. If they do, it opens a grandfathering registration period. At that point all of the bullet-button guns become registered assault weapons which means they no longer require a bullet button. The DOJ doesn't want that.

Illegal to make mods to a bullet button how? Last I checked you can modify the gun almost any way you want as long as it requires a tool to drop the magazine.
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What do you think will happen to that button lock as soon as the SHTF? Even the local sheriff agrees...
Until then, I'm legal in Kalifornia..
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It is going to be easier for you to read up on the CA gun laws then collect information here.

KelTec SU16CA, A and B are all legal in CA, M1A's and M14's (without a Sage stock), M1 Carbines, Mini 14/30, etc.

You can only have 10 rounds unless it has an internal magazine and it is not on a banned list. The firearm needs to be at least 26" long at its smallest possible configurable state with registered preban assault rifles having to be 30" (there are some other conditions on these as well). You cannot have a 'flash hider' on post ban firearms however you can have a compensater. No silencers. No nunchucks. No blowguns.

There are more than this of course however the laws are convoluted on purpose to make them unclear to jsut about everyone, even the people that wrote them.

Your best bet is to look online to see "CA Legal" firearms and what people will ship here. They are only shipping items they know for sure are legal here. You can also go to the local gun shops and see what they have on the shelves.

You would not think that a Yugo SKS with a 1' long sword hanging of it would fly here but it does.
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There are more than this of course however the laws are convoluted on purpose to make them unclear to jsut about everyone, even the people that wrote them.
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Yeah there are a lot of examples of this however there is little chance of changing it. There are huge lobbies here that control these laws. I am not 100% convinced it is the anti gun folks only doing this. There is a huge market of gun owners here that have to have these custom rifles or a specific configuration.

Sounds like if you own that process then you stand to make a lot of cash off of it.
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Go to calguns.net for all your questions.
FYI- Kali isn't as bad on guns as many think. Most of it is simply a bullet button and or high capacity magazine stipulation. An AR-15 bullet button can be changed out in less than two minutes.
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FYI.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php#5
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Stuck way out west, I'd have to adapt at least a bit.

My FAL would get the 20 round mag replaced with a ten.
A minor loss considering how easy it is to top off the mag
Using stripper clips with the appropriate dust cover.

Of course one could always just purchase and register
A pre-ban gun despite the cost.

However, more than likely, I'd just pick up a Mini-30
And a pile of 10 round mags and not worry about it.
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Saiga in 223 but 7.62x39 or 308 is better. $400-550

But why an alternative to the Mini-14... it's Commiefornia legal and a much better gun than its reutation.

My personal recommendation... M1 Garand.
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My personal recommendation... M1 Garand.
Yeah dat! Lots of clips and ammo, too. A fine rifle. Garand is the genesis of the Mini-14. I would feel under gunned in almost any situation with one.
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There is no way to get around the 10 round law under normal situations, so learn to live with it. You can however, have magazine repair kits. If SHTF on a mega scale those kits could conceivably be, in about 30 seconds, assembled into high capacity mags. Don't forget that Stag Arms ships the normal mag release button and spring that they replaced with a bullet button in the case with their CA compliant rifles. If you can't handle the bullet button then get a Mini-14/30, M-1 carbine, Springfield M1A family, or Keltec and put a few magazine repair kits away for them. I know many people who have. Here in CA the SKS has great potential.
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If you live in Cali--just go out and buy a Mini 14.
These do not have a bullet button--nor do the M1A's.
They are legal there.
The Cali versions do not have a flash hider.
But you can install a muzzle break if you wish.

If I were you I'd buy a Mini-30 in 7.62

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If you live in Cali--just go out and buy a Mini 14.
These do not have a bullet button--nor do the M1A's.
They are legal there.
The Cali versions do not have a flash hider.
But you can install a muzzle break if you wish.

If I were you I'd buy a Mini-30 in 7.62

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The reason these guns do not have a bullet button is because they don't have a pistol grip stock. You can't have a centerfire rifle with a pistol grip AND a detachable magazine. You can choose one or the other, but having both makes them an "assault weapon". And, ANY weapon with any kind of detachable magazine cannot ever have any magazine loaded into it which holds more than 10 rounds, or it is instantly turned into an "assault weapon" (even a .22). The magazines themselves are actually legal to possess.
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you can have a mini 14 that is cal legal...
just make sure follow the flow chart...
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
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Are those pump action Remington 223 rifles that take AR mags CA legal?

Can you legally use 30rd mags in a pump action?

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