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Old 08-06-2011, 11:22 PM
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Ballistically, the .22 is faster out of longer barrels. But in short 2" - 3" pocket pistol barrels they are about equal. The .25 ACP is a bit more reliable than .22 rimfire. The .25 ACP is reloadable, the .22 rimfire isn't.

As for a pocket gun, I'd recommend a .32 ACP over the .25, but I'd take the .25 over the .22 rimfire.

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What would you be using it for? In what type of gun?

*edit* I see in another thread you're looking at a .25 mousegun. Probably more reliable than a .22 lr, although I used to have a P22 walther that went bang every time as long as it had the right ammo...

I don't see why a .25 wouldn't fit the bill as a warm-weather pocket carry or a backup.
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With something as reliable as a P-22 with the right ammo, .25 ACP is sorta unnecessary.
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The .25 ACP can be had in a package small enough to conceal in a bikini. That doesn't mean that a weapon that size is easy to shoot.
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The .25 ACP can be had in a package small enough to conceal in a bikini. That doesn't mean that a weapon that size is easy to shoot.
Yes, but now we've justifications for certain pat searches.
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Well if it helps Skully, I was in Pam's Nifty 50's Bar and Grill behind the mound in South Charleston many years ago and saw a man get shot in the forehead at point blank range, he fell down and got up on his own, the 25 he was shot with did not penetrate the skull bone.
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Read the history of "The Grim Sleeper" for an insight into just how deadly the 25 actually is... most of his kills were a single shot... max two... to the upper torso.

Surprisingly his sole survivor said she passed out immediatly after being shot once the
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Personally I look at the cost and availability of the caliber, the 22 is a hands down the better choice to me. I don't recommend the 25 because of that. My own mother has a purse gun in 25 and I've asked her many times to replace it but she already has it and is timid to learning a new one. For me the 25 and 32 are obsolete. I'll take a 22 over a 25 (better value) and a 380 over the 32 (better performance) every time. If you have already invested in guns of 25 or 32 long ago then maybe it still makes sense for you to keep them today. However there are better options now and to choose to buy a new gun in either of these calibers, just doesn't make sense to me.
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Personally I would go with the 22 as well, inexpensive ammo that is basically able to be bought anywhere makes it more desireable to me. I have a Buckmark that goes bang everytime that I can hit my target at 50 yards with irons everytime. I just took my mom to her first class for getting a concealed carry and we are considering a P22 for her and I might buy one for giggles. I also like having ammo on hand that is used in multiple weapons not just one especially in any sort of survival situation. It is not hard to end up with 5000+ rounds of 22 in your ammo box buying some every now and then when its on sale at $15 a brick. This is from a guy that will go through two bricks in a single sitting at the range shooting past 200 yards with my 10/22.
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22lr has the edge when it comes to penetration

I have heard situations where the 25 acp wouldn't reliably penetrate multiple layers of clothing.

If you are considering either cartridge in a mouse gun....aim for the eyes or ears....LOL

I actually have mouse guns in both and have had no issues with either in reliability. My problem is my hands are way to big to be in anyway proficient with either. My wife and daughters don't have any problems though
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Yes, but now we've justifications for certain pat searches.
And she has justification to use the .25....

Back in the 1920s/1930s, Bayard, in Belgium built a .380 pistol in the vest pocket .25 size range. To my mind, that would be the way to go in that size package.

Turns out it was even earlier. Bayard M. 1908, produced in .25 ACP, .32 ACP and .380....

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My understanding is that the .25 came about as a centerfire solution to the .22 rimfire cartridge. I've heard folks talk about rimfire unreliability -- but have never seen one fail to fire. Might be just me, might be days were different back then....
Back in the times the .25 ACP came out, the .22 LR was loaded with black powder, or LeSmoke, a half and half mixture that was bad to absorb moisture if carried for long outdoors. Centerfire ammo was considerably more robust in construction, and much surer of ignition.

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My understanding is that the .25 came about as a centerfire solution to the .22 rimfire cartridge. I've heard folks talk about rimfire unreliability -- but have never seen one fail to fire. Might be just me, might be days were different back then.

Anyway, problem with the .25 is penetration; it pretty much doesn't have any. Between the two, I'd take the .22LR. However, if I needed a mousegun, I'd take a .380 ... about the same size and weight and more power. If I needed a CCW, I'd take a .45 or a .357.

Not to say no one's hasn't "executed" someone with a .25 -- by holding the gun up to their head or eye -- but that's not what you want in a CCW.
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Read the history of "The Grim Sleeper" for an insight into just how deadly the 25 actually is... most of his kills were a single shot... max two... to the upper torso.

Surprisingly his sole survivor said she passed out immediatly after being shot once the
And she was awaken by the camera flash when he took her picture. I'd call that "fainted" not "passed out" from some kind of trauma. But well ya know, that's speculation I wasn't there.

What I do know; if one is carrying a handgun for protection and not doing everything one can do to "stack the deck" in their favor, it is just . . . . goofy. It makes no sense.
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Years ago, when I was in college, I worked part time at a local waterfront tavern. Next door was a SCUBA/Dive shop. Some guys grabbed some expensive dive equipment, and made a dash for the door, with the owner in hot pursuit. There was some pushing and shoving that ensued. By the time we knew what was going on, the bandits had gotten into a car and were trying to escape. It was winter time and their windows immediately fogged up, so the driver rolled down his window to see. Meanwhile the owner recovered himself enough to produce a .25 auto from his pocket. He grabs the bandit by the neck while he is trying to drive away, so that when the car starts to move it chokes the driver. No one tries to help cause the owners free had is waving the gun around. As the car tried to inch foreward the driver was pulled farther out the window and I think his foot was comming of the pedal a bit. The momentary stalemate allowed us gawkers to move foreward a bit to try and help, when the owner gets an idea. As he holds on to the driver, against he force of the car, he is leaning toward the rear wheel. He decides to shoot out the tire with the .25. As we advance he fires. When he fired we stopped. When the tire was undamaged he fired again. We then ducked for cover. As he continued to fire, and the tire continued unfazed, some of the bouncing bullets were hitting the heavy front windows of the tavern, which were also unfazed. When he finally ran out of ammo we charged and removed the perps from the car. I think the owner got in the most trouble when the police arrived.

As we retreated back into the tavern one of the local wags offered, "If you're ever mad enough to shoot'em, but really don't want to hurt'em, that 25 auto is just the gun to have".
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A .25 acp is considered a "mouse gun" .. only good for surprise fighting.
A .22 LR is a fun gun ... cheap, fun and low-impact ... It doesn't get any better when you can shoot 500 rounds for less than $20. It's the ultimate survival firearm.
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Federal 25ACP 50g FMJ
Muzzle energy - 64
Muzzle velocity - 760

Federal Champion 36g solid, copper washed/plated
Muzzle energy - 80-90
Muzzle velocity - 900 - 950
The variances in the 22 are due to unknown barrel length, but the numbers reflect a barrel under 10 inches.

It looks like the 22 wins.
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I inherited a Colt Vest Pocket that was my grandfather's. A neat little gun about the size of my palm. Shooting it is a blast and concealing is easy. Being that it is near mint and with the box, I bought a Beretta 950 Jetfire. A single action 9 shot, tip barrel, 25acp. I have a couple hundred rounds through this gun. It has never failed which can't be said for the pocket 22 I had or the 32 I had. The 22 was very picky about ammo and the 32 broke.

I carry the 950 often, but I don't kid myself about it being a combat round. I shoot it very well and very rapid.

As for the price of ammo, so what. A pocket pistol isn't a shoot all day at the range gun.

RE: the comment about a P22, I have one, love it, but it is MUCH larger than my 25's and you can get a 380 in a same sized Walther.
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Also I believe there is a greater variety of loads available in the .22 including bullet weights that range from in the 20s (CBs) to the 60 gr SSS ammo. Oh and a 40 gr hollow point Velocitor round can be fairly devastating to small game:
At muzzle
Velocity- 1435
Energy- 183

At 100 yards
Velocity- 1084
Energy- 104
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20 years ago in Sacramento, California, a man named Eric Royce Leonard robbed two businesses on consecutive Tuesday nights. During each robbery he killed 3 people with a Beretta .25ACP. He's been sitting on California's Death Row waiting for the Death Row inmates leading cause of death, old age.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archiv...-9-1-1-65.html

Yeah the .25ACP will do the job, same as a .22lr. I think it comes down to practice. If you do a lot of it, the .22lr will be less expensive. If you don't, it's a wash.
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