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Old 08-06-2011, 12:13 PM
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What do you all think about this combo? 357 is easy to hand load and basically make from scratch. It will take good size game up to 100 yards and if loaded correctly can take small game as well. It would be a companion to a 357 and a 22lr revolver. The 20 gauge will take a slug and can do a number on birds...

Overall, seems like a good solid package but I am looking for a pro's vs cons for 357/20 vs 22lr/20.


Any ideas? Advice?

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Old 08-06-2011, 12:20 PM
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What type of "survival" are you thinking? The reason I ask is that it would make a difference for me. I am a big fan of the 20ga. But if I were to take a survival wilderness trip, I would much rather have the .357 and the 22lr actually. Ammo weight is the biggest factor. I can carry 20-50x the ammo in .357 and 22lr that a box of shotshell takes up.


And also, are you talking about a .357 and .22lr handguns or rifles?

I don't know.. I think besides hunting turkey or defending agasint a hoarde; I would take the .357 and 22lr. Then get some .357 shotshells.
Old 08-06-2011, 12:29 PM
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Are you thinking about an over-under combination or something like the Rossi Wizard?
I bought the Rossi Trifecta youth model which came with .22lr, 20ga and .243. We love it.
http://www.rossiusa.com/hot_items.cfm
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We are talking Texas, country. 357 and 22 are revolvers. The 357/20 is a rifle. I see the 357 on the hip, 22 for really small game like squires and rabbits. 357 for deer and 20 for any foul...

Additionally, I would use it for hunting or maybe even a car/truck rifle although with whats happening in the USA I'd be better served by an AK in the car.

I guess I'm looking for a new toy and trying to justify it.

If I ever get a BOL, it would live there along with a few cases of 20 gauge and a few k of 357/38.

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357 and 20 gauge seems pretty solid combo. if you havent bought one yet get a s&w 686.
Old 08-06-2011, 01:34 PM
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I'm a 12ga shooter these days. However, 20 ga is more pleasant to shoot out of a single shot.

357 is good to go.

Do they make a 308 over 12 ga? Think that would be the one to carry.
For me at least.
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Are you thinking about an over-under combination or something like the Rossi Wizard?
I bought the Rossi Trifecta youth model which came with .22lr, 20ga and .243. We love it.
http://www.rossiusa.com/hot_items.cfm
I bought the Rossi Pick Four that adds a .410 barrel. Its so slick that when the kids out grow it I plan to use it in the car travel box. I think voland may be looking at a Savage 24. I say if it is in good condition grab it.
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for the purpose of foraging it will do the job. That is a good setup to make sure there is food in the pot.
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We are talking Texas, country. 357 and 22 are revolvers. The 357/20 is a rifle. I see the 357 on the hip, 22 for really small game like squires and rabbits. 357 for deer and 20 for any foul...

Additionally, I would use it for hunting or maybe even a car/truck rifle although with whats happening in the USA I'd be better served by an AK in the car.

I guess I'm looking for a new toy and trying to justify it.

If I ever get a BOL, it would live there along with a few cases of 20 gauge and a few k of 357/38.

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Ohhh ok, i get what you are asking now. Sorry I was misunderstood on the first response.

As far the combos, I would probably go with the .357/20ga combo over the .22/20ga. The reason is that game taken with a .22 is going to be about the same limits with the handgun vs the rifle.

With the .357 you would gain a more from the barrel of the rifle over handgun especially with the load variations you can create with hand-loading. You can't really change the .22lr much to suit different needs.
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So, as I understand it, the question is how to best carry .22, .357/.38, and 20 gauge in a combo. Lacking a Dreilling, here's my thinking:

.22 needs precision to be effective, and a long barrel helps use all the oomph it can muster. Handguns in this caliber can be used to hunt effectively, but they take a lot of practice to do so. Can also do defense, but that requires volume of fire in addition to accuracy. When each shot is being counted on to feed or protect you, I'd hate to have to allot a significant portion to practice on tin cans and paper targets.

As Vic said, the .357 would also gain more from a longer barrel, but I'd rather have it in a multi-shot platform to up my chances in case of a dog attack. My 4" Model 19 is already pretty much a hand rifle anyhow. A 6 or 8" would could be even better, right?

20 gauge is pretty difficult to get in a handgun, so it'll stay in the long gun.

OK, so that's 22 over 20, with the 357 mag in the revolver. But, we don't have a lot of wide, open spaces here in my little part of NC, and the Savage 24 was originally supposed to be a simple, cost-effective learning gun for the kids. Maybe now I'm the one who's rationalizing...
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Wait what are we talking about? A Savage shotgun rifle combo, carrying a rifle and shotgun, or a single shot with 2 barrels?
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Wait what are we talking about? A Savage shotgun rifle combo, carrying a rifle and shotgun, or a single shot with 2 barrels?
Not sure. Am getting confused. Clarification of the question please.
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What do you all think about this combo? 357 is easy to hand load and basically make from scratch. It will take good size game up to 100 yards and if loaded correctly can take small game as well. It would be a companion to a 357 and a 22lr revolver. The 20 gauge will take a slug and can do a number on birds...

Overall, seems like a good solid package but I am looking for a pro's vs cons for 357/20 vs 22lr/20.


Any ideas? Advice?

Thanks,
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If you run into a raider that's ex military with a simple ak. With equal combat skill's you are dead. Thats just my opinion. Their all tools. Ever try to change a wheel bearing with a pair of pliers. It's the same thing. An AK is the worlds bare min SHTF universal rifle. Somebody with one out ranges you and has a much higher rate of fire and the people that tell you it's too inaccurate for combat have never seen combat. And don't know up from down.
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Sorry everyone. I should have specified. This is a Savage 24D I believe. 357 over 20.

A lot of good reasoning. The one I am looking at is in good shape and they are only asking $400 for it. I still have not made up my mind yet...

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I would buy it.I just got a 30/30 12ga.With the shotgun barrel you wouldn't need the 22 pistol.I have a 22lr over 20ga also.At $400 it a pretty fair price too.
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Well you can never have to many guns! I think the 20/357 is great combo, however I would in this scenario cary a .357 as my handgun that way you have universal ammo with your rifle and a pretty good overall pakage wraped up into two guns.

Of course you should still make some room for the AK, AR-15 &10, 3030, 3006,.300, 7mm, .243, 257 roberts(might be good barder ;-) .44, .45, .40, 380, 9mm................
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Yeah, no argument there... I just emailed the guy a few questions so lets see what I get back. Im fairly sure that Ill pick it up though...

Thanks for the advice everyone!

Ill post a followup with pictures etc...

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