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Rice and beans, beans and rice, yada, yada... What about long term storage of corn? Where would you get it in bulk? How to store? Shelf life?
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GMO corn wont store very well. theres a company called Azure that sells everything organic you could want and then some. I bought 3 or 4th generation corn they grew that was found in the Pyramids in the 80's- it stored well, I planted it.
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You forgot about wheat!
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It stores the same as rice and lasts the same. I buy popcorn and grind it. I can't find dry corn here and popcorn is easy to find in bulk cheap. Makes for some tasty cornmeal. There are a bunch of good grains to consider such as wheat and barley. In my opinion rice should not be the main grain in food storage. Whole grains are more nutritious.
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Bread, bagels, english muffins, cakes, blueberry muffins.
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Bread, bagels, english muffins, cakes, blueberry muffins.
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The local farmers co-op has corn @ $30. per 55gal drum. This is feed corn, needs to be cleaned but just as good as food grade.
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I disagree about GMO corn not storing well. I'm sure that will not be a popular opinion, as some have quite the knee-jerk reaction to anything GMO. It's still corn. You dry it well, store it properly, it'll keep. It's CORN.
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I disagree about GMO corn not storing well. I'm sure that will not be a popular opinion, as some have quite the knee-jerk reaction to anything GMO. It's still corn. You dry it well, store it properly, it'll keep. It's CORN.
I agree. While modern hybrid field corn does not contain as much nutrition (protein) as previous non hybrid heirloom varieties, this lack should not affect its shelf life. Like many pure starch foods (think white rice) it might store better.

Ps, the best way to store corn is seeds. Store a nice variety of heirloom varieties and plant one or two each year.
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Wheat is basically the staple grain of the western diet. You can make simple cereals with it. Breads of course, from the simplest of flat breads and biscuits to the more complex loaves. Pasta of all sorts. Bulgur for quick rehydration and easy to make side dishes. You can easily wash the protein out for "meat from wheat". It's the basic thickener for gravies and stews. You can make all sorts of snack chips from it, even simple saltine crackers. You can cook the whole wheat berries and use them as side dishes, pilafs, etc. Then there's sweets and snacks like cookies, cakes, pies, etc. Sprouted it provides live enzymes and nutrients. You can even make beer from it. You can plant it to grow more wheat. It's pretty versatile stuff.
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your right, theres no point in arguing about GMO, some people think its great. I think It's poison. I wont eat it. If Im stocking seeds I want them to be able to reproduce. Ask a produce Manager why your produce doesn't last as long as it use to, He'll tell you, GMO dosent last long on the shelf.
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I'd be curious if just placing it in a dry container was all you needed.

A few years ago the Navajo cultural affairs laison took me on a tour of the Herd Museum. She was in her 50s, a very sharp lady, and she wasn't that far removed from the "old ways."

She told me that traditionally the Navajo and Hopi always kept a couple years worth of corn on hand as a safety measure in case there was draught and famine. Obviously the reservation received some subsidies, but the reality is I've never seen poverty like what I see when i visit almost any reservation in the US. (Some benefit from the casinos, but most still live in shacks or broken down trailers.) They didn't do anything fancy to store a couple years of corn. They just put it in sacks and the dry Arizona air did the rest.

There aren't very many... if any... Navajo who still put 2-3 years worth of corn in storage in case of famine, but it wasn't too many years ago that that trdition stopped. And by the way Elsa talked... I'd guess if you turned the clock back only as far as 1970 you'd still find a significant number of people who did it.

It has always intrigued me that we have multiple references... the Egyptians... native Americans... many cultures have stored years worth of dried grain in simple clay pots or cloth sacks... and so long as the grain was kept dry it still fulfilled the intended purpose of supplying nourishment.

There are thousands of years of history behind food preservation by virtually every culture. It's amazing how simple it really is for grains. It's pretty much just keep it dry and you have a food stuff that lasts for years. Add o2 absorbers and seal.... and it is even better.
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Dry it, keep it dry, store it, keep it in the dark, keep it from exposure, keep it at a steady temperature.

Other then keeping out the vermin, it should store well. "Well" being from one year to the next.
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It stores the same as rice and lasts the same. I buy popcorn and grind it. I can't find dry corn here and popcorn is easy to find in bulk cheap. Makes for some tasty cornmeal. There are a bunch of good grains to consider such as wheat and barley. In my opinion rice should not be the main grain in food storage. Whole grains are more nutritious.
Ok, I don't want to sound stupid.. I know I have read about this before, but are you talking about regular ole' popcorn from the grocery store? Like Cousin Willies or Orville Rede.. Reded.. However you spell his name? Am I missing something here?
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Ok, I don't want to sound stupid.. I know I have read about this before, but are you talking about regular ole' popcorn from the grocery store? Like Cousin Willies or Orville Rede.. Reded.. However you spell his name? Am I missing something here?
No, your not missing a thing. Popcorn has been long prized as a great source of cornmeal. The tough, nearly vapor tight outer shell grinds particularly well.

Just another detail from Gene Logdon's book "Homesteading".
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your right, theres no point in arguing about GMO, some people think its great. I think It's poison. I wont eat it. If Im stocking seeds I want them to be able to reproduce. Ask a produce Manager why your produce doesn't last as long as it use to, He'll tell you, GMO dosent last long on the shelf.
Produce manager=fresh corn. The thread is about dried corn. When it's dried, it doesn't matter if it's GMO or not when it comes to storage life. I'm not defending GMO, just pointing out the obvious.
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Ok, I don't want to sound stupid.. I know I have read about this before, but are you talking about regular ole' popcorn from the grocery store? Like Cousin Willies or Orville Rede.. Reded.. However you spell his name? Am I missing something here?
Yessir. 'Cept I don't buy that fancy name brand stuff. I buy the generic stuff in the big bags or buckets that they would use at the concession stand. It's dirt cheap.

Ground up it makes really good cornmeal. The down side is the thick, hard hulls. But if you run your cornmeal through a sifter, what is left is larger chunks and "grits" plus the hulls. When you're ready to cook your grits, give them a quick rinse and the hulls float away.

Technically, popcorn is pretty high moisture compared to regular dried corn. But I've never heard of it having any storage issues. If anything it dries out in storage and won't pop anymore. I have some that's 13-14 years old and tastes great. It wasn't even packaged in anything special. I just left it in the bucket it came in, that had no O2 absorber or anything.
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I got a 50# bag of beautiful yellow organic/non gmo dent corn from the health food store. I have a Gamesaver FoodSaver vacuum sealer and use ZipVac rolls (cheaper and thicker than FS brand) I seal all my grains, beans, rice, dried refried beans, candied ginger (nausea, upset tummy, treat) then put them in opaque 36 gal tubs.
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Rice and beans, beans and rice, yada, yada... What about long term storage of corn? Where would you get it in bulk? How to store? Shelf life?
I got feed corn from a local feed store. (Tractor Supply Co) But most any place like that will have something you can use. It's all animal 'feed'. Which means it's only been double cleaned verses triple cleaned 'human' food.

I did the same for wheat and barley.

Just don't get the 'deer' corn since it's usually floor sweepings and all broken up pieces.

Everything I've gotten from the feed store has been of good quality and not that much junk in it. The corn had some oats in it. The wheat had some small clumps of dirt. Barley was fine.

Prices I paid were $9/ 50 lb bags of corn.

Wheat was #13/ 50 lb bags.

Pearled barley was $19/ 50 lbs.
About the only reason I got this was I cleared out the place of wheat (6 bags) and didn't fill the truck so I got 4 bags of the barley to make the trip worth my time.
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