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Old 07-02-2011, 11:58 PM
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Default Bought a Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle today - see my comments & questions.



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I went to my favorite gun store this morning to trade for a new Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle (GSR hereafter) after a lot of research and consideration.

In addition to my new GSR I currently also own a DSA FAL, DSA FAL Para, and Springfield Armory M1A.

The reasons I wanted the GSR include (since I already had three other 7.62x51mm rifles):

1) I've always been a fan of the Scout concept, but very much disliked the weight and poor balance of the SAI M1A Scout and SAI M1A Socom16 I had a few years ago. In fact, the handling characteristics of those rifles were so bad I only kept them for a few months.

2) The merits of the 7.62x51mm cartridge has been beat to death. I own 22LR, 5.56x45mm, and 7.62x39mm rifles too, but the virtues of the 308Win are alluring.

3) All of the other centerfire rifles I currently own are detachable box magazine feed semi-autos. I wanted to put a quality purpose built bolt action back in my Survival Battery. Since 1984 I've owned a fair share of 308Win rifles including various: HK91's, Springfield SAR8's, FAL's, PTR91's, Springfield Armory M1A's, Century CETME's, Remington 700's, etc. but thought it was time to put a simple and rugged bolt action back into my collection. As with most preparedness minded people, my "survival gear & philosophy" has been a constant state of evolution. Over the past year my focus has been on simplifying and picking up more durable kit. The GSR fits into this idea well, but there will be more on this later.

Before I talk about how the GSR fits into my current survival mindset, I'd like to briefly table-top review the rifle (as if this hasn't been a million times already):

THE GOOD

The fit & finish are very good and quite acceptable for this type of weapon. I would have preferred an all stainless model but as they aren't available I bought the standard matte blue version. The matte finish is very uniform, and completely glare resistant. Again, at least a chrome-lined bore would have been nice.

The trigger is crisp and while it seemed heavy at first I tried it against several other quality rifles (BCM MidLength, Colt 6920, M1A with a tuned trigger, etc) and found the Ruger's trigger is actually LIGHTER. For those who follow Ruger products - this will be a surprise.

The back up sights are quite usable, and give a nice sight picture. I like the design of a ringed rear aperture, and the M14 style winged front sight is fast to pick up.

The section of "scout rail" is actually long enough to use with a variety of optics (SAI I'm looking at you). In addition to the rail, the rifle came with a set of Ruger's traditional (and proprietary) rings. The rings even came with an extra set of screws - this is a very nice touch.

The flash suppressor seems short for a 308, but I've not yet fired the rifle (let alone at night). I've read the threading is 5/8x24 which is the same for other 308 rifles meaning the FS could be replaced with an excellent Phantom, etc.

The stock checkering is sharp and gives good purchase.

The rifle is fairly well balanced (at about the magazine with a loaded mag in place), but will be better balanced when I mount a Scout Scope on it. I like really short LOP so I removed the factory installed 1/2" spacer (these come with three 1/2" spacers for those with long arms).

In spite of being a "modified control feed" bolt, I had to hold the rifle upside down with a round "under the extractor" while shaking it VIGOROUSLY to get the round to drop out of the action. This was a relief as I was concerned it would be more "push-feed" than "CRF".

THE BAD

As previously stated, I would prefer a stainless model or chrome-lined bore on the carbon steel model.

The bolt travel is a little gravely, but has already started to smooth out just from me playing with it today. I suspect the bolt will smooth out nicely over time, and perhaps with a little polishing.

The plastic trigger guard / magazine well housing is ...well...plastic! I would have traded a few ounces for aluminum here.

THE UGLY

The magazine. Everyone complains that Ruger didn't design this around a M14, FAL, or G3 magazine. That doesn't bother me. The PRICE of additional magazines does bother me. More over, the fact that the mag fits very loose in the "mag well" is disconcerting.

Now that I've restated everything everyone else has said about the design and quality of manufacture I'd like to briefly explain the WHEN, WHERE, WHY and HOW this fits into my preparedness planning.

WHEN would I use this over my AK, AR, FAL, or M1A? Well, our plan is to BUG IN until our house becomes untenable. The box magazine feed semi's will be used to defend the homestead against hordes of looters, zombies (the popular thing right now), whatever. We already live in a rural woodland area so if we had to BUG OUT I'd strongly consider the advantages of having a rugged, accurate (assuming the hype is verified at the range), and potent bolt gun.

WHERE would I use this? If we have to bug-out our route will take us through various agricultural (open) areas and woodland (timber forested) areas. This mixed terrain lends itself to the power of a 308 and accuracy of a bolt gun. As much as I love my FAL's - they are "combat accurate" and not "match accurate". I don't expect the 16" GSR to be "match grade", but from the reports I've heard (as well as the ease of mounting a scope to one) - they will outperform my FALs.

WHY would I chose a slow to reload bolt gun over a "battle proven" semi auto??? Well, I've been doing this survivalist thing for 27 years and the days of idolizing Red Dawn scenarios are long over for me. My goal is to keep my head down and avoid contact. This reduces the need for a semi-auto, and increases the need for a heavier caliber / more accurate rifle. The exact "purpose" for the scout design. Also, as anyone who has been to a "combat style" class or competition can attest - you'll be surprised how quickly you'll run through ammo in a semi-auto when the stress is on. A bolt gun causes you to slow down. This ammo conservation obviously is hugely beneficial to the already overloaded survivalist.

HOW does this fit into my overall planning? The GSR will be an option. If it proves itself at the range, then it will be integrated into my planning as a long-term / TEOTWAWKI weapon option. Depending on the calamity that befalls us, this might be the weapon I choose. Additionally, as my mindset shifts further away from a "run and gun" and more toward a "frontiersman" ideology the simple, reliable, durable bolt gun starts to look more appealing.

Obligatory pics:

The handgun, hat, and knife are just "props" to make the picture more interesting.



Onto my questions….

A) I'm interested in mounting a very high quality "scout type" scope on this rifle. I stuck my LaRue mounted Trijicon TR21 on it, and the eye relief is about 6" too short. Does anyone know of a mounting system that would make using a Trijicon 1.25x4 or 1x4 feasible? Has anyone seen a GSR with a Trijicon on it?

B) As a tie-on question for "A" above - does anyone have a XS full rail on their GSR? I don't like the idea of adding weight, but this is an option.

C) Last optic question: has anyone used a Leupold 2.5 IER Scout on a GSR? Do you have any other scout scope experience that would be pertinent here?

D) Where is the best place to buy extra magazines, and what can I expect to pay for them?

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Old 07-03-2011, 09:53 AM
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EXCELLENT write up Architect.

I've had the Leupold on my Marlin 336 Texan.


It worked very well


Haven't tried it on my GSR yet.

Typically Ruger gives a discount when you buy a new gun. It took a little bit of the sting out of the magazine price. I prefer the 5 round magazines.



Your assessment tracks with mine. The GSR's niche is a rugged and versatile general purpose rifle and not strictly/primarily a combat arm though one could definitely be combative with it - Scout/sniper tactics rather than Rambo/video game fantasy.

I've found the GSR's accuracy to be on par with my Remington 700 and close to my CZ. The advantage the GSR has over both of those rifles is I don't have to wait for the barrel to cool to shoot a good group with it. It is also less finicky. Good ammo generally shoots well, cheap ammo shoots OK. My best accuracy, so far, has come with 165 grain bullets over Varget and IMR 4064. These powders also produced the highest velocities. This rifle also shoot cast bullets very well at both super and sub-sonic velocities.

Video overview at:
Gunblast's way better video here
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:30 AM
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Justsaymo,

Thanks for the feedback. I read all 17 pages of the "big GSR" thread, and your information is what tipped the scales in favor of me getting one.

Detractors from the "Scout Concept" (and I'm applying this to the survivalist mindset as well as rifle) fit into what I call the "all bullets and no beans category". They don't need to stockpile food, because without a Trauma Center and Fire Team they aren't going to last long. I can only pick on the "what if 600000 zombies over run my FOP" crowd, because I was just like that a few years ago.

Making the transition from "gun nut" to "mature gun nut survivalist" is a hard thing to do. However, once you actually get out there and practice / train you find very quickly that an AK, AR, FAL, G3, M14, SCAR, etc really isn't needed unless you: A) chose to live in an overly dangerous location (ie Survival Failure No. 1), B) go looking for trouble (ie Survival Failure Finality, because death is the ultimate mistake )

There were many years when my gear was mostly combat oriented, but now that I'm in my late 30's and have spent tons (literally years) working out my strategy and testing my skills / gear in the field....I can say that I'm avoiding contact at all costs. If this fails (preparedness is about covering all the bases) I will feel very well armed with a rugged, 10rd, fast to reload, accurate weapon with a Bindon concept optic on it.

These "chose based upon experience" comments were made, because your contribution to the big post was factual information about the rifle's ability.

Will I ever get rid of my Arsenal SGL-21, Arsenal SLR106FR, BCM MidLength, Colt 6520, Colt 6920, DSA FAL, DSA FAL Para, M1A? HECK NO!

...however...

Have I found a rifle that is lighter, more accurate, more rugged, simpler to maintain, easier to scope (than the other 7.62x51mm choices I list), more compact, and more in line with a TRUE SURVIVALIST mindset (not the fatalistic adolescent TV generation Rambo mindset)?

From what I've read and my initial observations which are based upon nearly three decades of "black rifle ownership" (The survivalist uncle I grew up with sold me my first AR15 at age 10. By the time I was 11 I had a US Property Marked Colt 1911, SGW AR15A1 that I built from a kit, and a Colt SP1 Carbine....) = Yes.

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Here is the scope I want to use on the GSR (Trijicon TR24G in a LaRue SPR mount)....



The problems with this:

1) EYE RELIEF! The eye relief is way off. This could be remedied by dismounting the optic from the mount, and spinning the mount around backwards (cantilever TOWARD the shooter) and then remounting the scope. However, this solution doesn't fix Problem No. 2:

2) HEIGHT! The LaRue mount positions the TR24G way too high above the bore axis, and also requires a "chin weld" instead of a "cheek weld".

I'm going to look at LaRue's other mounting options for the Accupoints.
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I handled one at the range last Wed. looks like a real handy, “carrying around” gun. I favor Levers myself, but if I wanted a bolt version of the ol 1894, that would be it.
Be really cool if they could make it in a semi-auto though.
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The Leopold scope you mentioned will be my next for a 45-70 Marlin guide gun, but on my Savage and Ruger scout rifles I use Nikon encore 2.5-8 EER scopes. The eye relief is perfect for a rifle and too short for a pistol. One has the BDC, that seems to work very well with the 308win.

I had my Ruger scout out today, initially I had some accuracy problems but after better rings, retightening the rail and some handloading it has performed very well. With Varget and 178gn Hndy Amax it shot under 1 inch groups at 100 yards. Barrel hot or cold! Mine seems to prefer heavier bullets it has not fired any under 168gns well. I really liked the cheap winchester 180gn powerpoints from walmart.

I agree with you about the rifles uses, it is not a military arm, even though its constantly comparted to one. If I was going to carry a gun all day hunting or stash it in my truck for the occasional coyote, hog or deer I would and did pick a scout rifle.
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Since my GSR is slated to be a "bug-out rifle" I want to keep it as light as possible. I just investigated the weight differences between the pictured Trijicon and Leupold's excellent "2.5x Scout" scope.

Leupold = 7.5 oz
Trijicon = 14.4 oz

The Leupold will only require lightweight quick-detach rings.
The Trijicon will require a rear-facing cantilever rail (to correct the eye relief issue) and rings.

The Trijicon is already 6.9 oz heavier, and the rail/mount will probably add another 6-8ozs (as an example, LaRue's products are HEAVY).

As a result of these facts, I think this rifle is going to get a Leupold 2.5x IER Scout Scope!
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well, im going to stick with my AR10. it's only failing compaired tho the gsr is weight.

that said, imho this is THE survival rifle for those who dont want a semi.
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Stinky,

The GSR feels a lot handier than my 16" fixed stock and 18" folding stock FALs. Its insanely more manageable than my 22" M1A.

Its a really neat little rifle that needs to be fondled to be appreciated.
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I went to my favorite gun store this morning to trade for a new Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle (GSR hereafter) after a lot of research and consideration.

In addition to my new GSR I currently also own a DSA FAL, DSA FAL Para, and Springfield Armory M1A.

The reasons I wanted the GSR include (since I already had three other 7.62x51mm rifles):

for them?
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Wishing you could load it with stripper clips.
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Thanks Halkon.

JustJim - The AI type magazine is a "push round in from front" design unlike a FAL, G3, M14 push straight down design. This means without a complete redesign (ie new magazine) the stripper clip option is out. Also, the Ruger 77 receiver doesn't really lend itself to a stripper guide, because the there isn't much material in that location and the rear scope ring and/or sight is mounted there.
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Sounds to me that Ruger wasn't thinking when they brought this rifle to the public. I wonder if there will be a stripper clip guide so you can load the magazines out of the rifle. With the high cost of these magazines a guide would speed up the reload.
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JustJim - you didn't understand my comment. These mags have to be loaded from the front. Stipper clips work vertically - not horizontally.
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DANG IT! your making me want one even more! congrats on the purchase. Let us know how the scope works out please.
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I traded mine off a couple weeks ago, too many rifles shooting 308, my AR10 went too. My M1A is my goto 308 rifle now and if the Mini30 keeps performing as well as it has been she's on the top of my "go to" list too.

The GSR's are very nice but I sold it for a bit more than I payed for it..
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I'm running a Burris 2.75 scout scope. Plain jane weaver low profile mounts. Cheapest lightweight setup I could find. Very crisp looking, fits the rifle perfectly. I'm liking the rifle even though this is my #2 version of it after I sent my original rifle back. One beef which isn't really one is I feel when shoulder slinged the rifle is so compact it doesn't balance right in a traditional carry.
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The one thing I do wonder about is the choice of caliber. Seems to me that the 308 is a longer range capabul cartridge than the gun is designed for and would benefit from a larger bullet, trading distance for more knockdown power. I have a Ruger Hawkeye in 308 and I think the 22” barrel is a better match for the 308’s capability. Maybe something in the 35 or 338 would be better.

Just a suggestion for Ruger.
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The one thing I do wonder about is the choice of caliber. Seems to me that the 308 is a longer range capabul cartridge than the gun is designed for and would benefit from a larger bullet, trading distance for more knockdown power. I have a Ruger Hawkeye in 308 and I think the 22” barrel is a better match for the 308’s capability. Maybe something in the 35 or 338 would be better.

Just a suggestion for Ruger.
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Since stripper guides are out (did not know about the front loading issue) the rifle is going to be what it is.

Pros for me:
1) Handled one and they are quite handy
2) Left handed version released
3) Accurate enough for 300 yard shots
4) .308 is a fine enough round to accomplish just about anything you would want to

Cons left for me:
1) Need to see that 18" barrel version without the threaded end
2) Want to see a factory 3rd sling point option (may be there already)
3) Small nit, would be nice to see these released purely for a SHTF rifle with subtle colors and no extra frills.

Not really a lot of negatives left and I would just have to decide if loading the mags 1 at a time is something I want to do. Mainly because I would not use the 10 round mags and would stick with the 5's. If I can't take advantage of what a magazine's strengths are then an internal box is going to be just as good.
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