Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > Survival & Preparedness Forum > Food and water > Recipes
Articles Chat Room Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files



Advertise Here
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-28-2011, 04:07 PM
Seadiver77 Seadiver77 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New England
Posts: 40
Thanks: 55
Thanked 36 Times in 20 Posts
Default bad honey?



Advertise Here

I found a great deal on honey at Ocean State Job Lot so I bought a huge jar. However, it smells funny and tastes awful-reminds me of brown rice syrup. I noticed it is from India. I didn't know honey could go "bad", I don't think it's bad, but I also don't think it's actual honey. I hate waste, should I toss it? Or use it in baking?
Old 06-28-2011, 04:21 PM
Buffy's Avatar
Buffy Buffy is offline
Vampire Slayer
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ittoqqortoormiit, Greenland
Posts: 6,506
Thanks: 10,909
Thanked 10,984 Times in 3,763 Posts
Default

Toss it. It won't taste any better if you bake with it and its more likely that its been contaminated with God only knows what.
Honey generally does not go bad. I think some beekeepers have experienced "slime" honey, but stuff like that wouldn't be sold by anyone reputable.
__________________
"A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses; it is an idea that possesses the mind." ~Robert Oxton Bolton~
The Following User Says Thank You to Buffy For This Useful Post:
Old 06-28-2011, 04:29 PM
Ydoom Nedav Ydoom Nedav is offline
I love this forum
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,292
Thanks: 1,208
Thanked 1,324 Times in 692 Posts
Default

I know buckwheat honey smells like a cows a$$ and tastes different as well. But you said it is from India, so I would have no idea, but I wouldn't eat it.
Old 06-28-2011, 08:14 PM
BruceA BruceA is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 67
Thanks: 64
Thanked 69 Times in 30 Posts
Default

Toss it out
Old 06-28-2011, 08:38 PM
trixie trixie is offline
I love this forum
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 8,011
Thanks: 2,692
Thanked 7,285 Times in 3,149 Posts
Default

call customer service
Old 06-28-2011, 08:45 PM
Horned One's Avatar
Horned One Horned One is offline
Anarchist/Animist Primate
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Aroostook County, Maine
Age: 48
Posts: 5,772
Thanks: 7,731
Thanked 10,531 Times in 3,717 Posts
Default

It might not be real honey. I went to one of those dollar stores, and saw what at first appeared to be a great deal on honey... until I read the label. It was only about 30% honey. The rest was high fructose corn syrup and a bunch of chemicals. Maybe this is the same stuff.
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Horned One For This Useful Post:
Old 06-29-2011, 07:40 AM
Hungry's Avatar
Hungry Hungry is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cackalacky
Age: 44
Posts: 6,125
Thanks: 19,646
Thanked 11,431 Times in 4,199 Posts
Default

Pure honey shouldn't go bad. I remember reading that edible honey was found in the pyramids and consumed after thousands of years had passed.

I would toss it.
Old 06-29-2011, 07:49 AM
ForestBeekeeper's Avatar
ForestBeekeeper ForestBeekeeper is offline
Farmer
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Maine
Posts: 16,060
Thanks: 18,313
Thanked 22,223 Times in 9,036 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Helpful Post 
Total Awards: 1
Default

I have seen reports of 'honey' being sold with as much as 70% HFCS in it.

I have produced a black honey that looked, smelled and tasted like molasses. But other than that anything slimy has been adulterated.
Old 06-29-2011, 08:41 AM
Alligatorgars's Avatar
Alligatorgars Alligatorgars is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 2,718
Thanks: 1,995
Thanked 2,451 Times in 1,130 Posts
Default

edited for reasons
Old 06-29-2011, 09:04 AM
ForestBeekeeper's Avatar
ForestBeekeeper ForestBeekeeper is offline
Farmer
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Maine
Posts: 16,060
Thanks: 18,313
Thanked 22,223 Times in 9,036 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Helpful Post 
Total Awards: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alligatorgars View Post
The beginning of spring I bought a bad bottle of raw honey. It had a rotten body odor smell to it. Im guessing something died in one of the hives and the owners didnt cycle that hive. It happens on big operations, I just brought it back and swapped for a new bottle letting the vendor know they need to give this bottle back to the hive operators with this information.
I mean you no disrespect. Do not take this an an insult. I find it extremely unlikely that anything got into a hive and died, and had the effect you describe.

Our local beekeeping club has many small beekeepers and a few BIG ones.

The big ones make their money trucking and renting out their hives to farmers. They view honey as a by-product that their accountants would prefer they dump in a land-fill. They feel such would be 'wrong', but they make their money from rentals and messing with honey for them is loosing profit. What they do instead is they fill 55-gallon drums and sell it to the club.

The BIG beekeepers in this area do tend to have crates with fancy plastic bear bottles filled with honey. They bought those bottle pre-filled with imported honey at a distributor. It is not worth their time to filter honey, wash bottles, sterilize a work-room, fill bottles, load bottles into crates, and clean the mess afterwards. It is cheaper for them to simply buy large quantities of honey from a factory overseas already in fancy bottles.

Small beekeepers [like me] focus mostly on getting our bees to survive. Some of us do not harvest at all, just hoping the hives have enough to feed themselves through the winter months. Some of us [like me] do harvest, but we end up feeding most of that honey back to the hives in the form of syrup.

We are all encouraged to:
#1 - buy honey in bulk from those 55-gallon drums to bottle ourselves to provide for when people approach wanting to buy honey from a local beekeeper.
#2 - buy pre-bottled honey form overseas.

The clubs want to keep plenty honey on hand to sell to the small beekeepers. They first get drums from the BIG beekeepers and then they buy commercially. That commercial honey comes from overseas; China or India.



The honey you bought that did not smell 'right' came from over seas and is likely loaded with HFCS.

I have even seen where people boiled flowers to make a tea and then added HFCS to get it to thicken, and they called that honey.
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to ForestBeekeeper For This Useful Post:
Old 06-29-2011, 09:22 AM
Alligatorgars's Avatar
Alligatorgars Alligatorgars is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 2,718
Thanks: 1,995
Thanked 2,451 Times in 1,130 Posts
Default

edited for reasons
Old 06-29-2011, 09:36 AM
surgpa's Avatar
surgpa surgpa is offline
I'm your huckleberry
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 656
Thanks: 2,913
Thanked 1,027 Times in 347 Posts
Default

Another thing to consider. You can get botulism from contaminated honey, so bee careful.
Old 06-29-2011, 09:37 AM
ForestBeekeeper's Avatar
ForestBeekeeper ForestBeekeeper is offline
Farmer
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Maine
Posts: 16,060
Thanks: 18,313
Thanked 22,223 Times in 9,036 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Helpful Post 
Total Awards: 1
Default

I find it odd that one label says 'unstrained'. I get a good deal of pollen in our honey if I do not strain it. Un-strained honey should have tiny specks of visible pollen, yellow and the size of a period on your PC screen. It may also have visible bee body parts.

Folks in our church ask about honey, wanting really, it to be loaded with pollen. So I strain honey and then I add pollen and mix it. I want to strain it to make sure there are no insect parts in it. I collect pollen separately anyway. And I know that what they honestly want is the pollen [for their allergies], which is why I load up their honey with extra pollen.

I scrape our honey frames with a heated knife, so I end up getting a bit of everything into it. It all goes into a low-heat crock-pot to melt the wax, and cool. After it cools I can lift away the wax [and most bee body parts] and ladle out the honey to go through a strainer.



As to the smell, I am sure you are right in it's bad smell. Honey should never smell like that.

I have not observed honey being able to absorb any foul smells from dead rodents. Honey is sealed inside the comb where it is perfectly preserved forever. If anything a dead rodent found in the spring that crawled inside and died should smell like honey.

I think you got yourself some imported 'honey' substitute.

The Following User Says Thank You to ForestBeekeeper For This Useful Post:
Old 06-29-2011, 09:39 AM
Alligatorgars's Avatar
Alligatorgars Alligatorgars is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 2,718
Thanks: 1,995
Thanked 2,451 Times in 1,130 Posts
Default

edited for reasons
Old 06-29-2011, 09:46 AM
FarmerJohn FarmerJohn is offline
This is a great survival forum
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 19,299
Thanks: 6,762
Thanked 26,427 Times in 10,443 Posts
Default

real honey should not go bad I have never had it go bad only thing is after a while it might crystalize but thats easy to fix

might want to take some to the local beekeepers association or your ag coop someone prol will have a honey tester to tell you wats in it i would deff recomend it
Old 06-29-2011, 09:50 AM
arleigh arleigh is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: southern california
Posts: 9,236
Thanks: 4,955
Thanked 8,085 Times in 4,276 Posts
Default

Thanks all for the input . I have bees but do not harvest the honey just so the bees survive, that's all I really care about .
The queen is not captured and they are free to go but have remained in the box we made for them for over 2 years now .
Old 06-29-2011, 09:51 AM
Alligatorgars's Avatar
Alligatorgars Alligatorgars is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 2,718
Thanks: 1,995
Thanked 2,451 Times in 1,130 Posts
Default

edited for reasons
Old 06-29-2011, 09:57 AM
Kansas Terri Kansas Terri is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,896
Thanks: 3,301
Thanked 5,663 Times in 2,387 Posts
Default

Before the big companies get a hold of it, different batches of honey smell and taste different. Sometimes that is good, sometimes it is very NOT good. The large honey companies mix the flavors together, to get a consistant product.

Light honey tastes better, but I prefer a darker honey for baking. Darker honey is usually Fall honey, while light honey is often from clover or fruit blossoms. Some people hate the taste of goldenrod honey and so they leave that for the bee's winter food.

Lastly, if honey has not been dehydrated enough, it can mold and ferment. Does your India honey taste alcoholic?
Reply

Bookmarks



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HONEY - lrg or sml BUSHER Disaster Preparedness General Discussion 46 04-29-2011 03:33 PM
Honey DakotaS Farming, Gardening & Homesteading 17 04-11-2010 10:11 PM
Honey SmokinOnion Disaster Preparedness General Discussion 34 01-23-2010 06:17 PM
Hey, Honey! Old Philosopher Farming, Gardening & Homesteading 16 04-04-2009 09:26 AM
My Honey! Dentoro General Discussion 8 01-23-2009 06:40 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright Kevin Felts 2006 - 2012,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net