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Old 06-11-2011, 11:18 PM
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Question Least expensive bulk center-fire ammo (mil surp)? What is it?



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I don't have any guns besides a K31 which fires 7.5x55 rounds and these are kind of expensive. So, I am looking for the cheapest mass produced rounds for rifles (if the 7.62x39 - or equivelant is - then I would like the next cheapest but with higher power). I recently read that 7.62x54R 440rnds (romanian rounds) could be purchased for $31.99 + SH and this includes the metal ammo case which is in good condition! Now that seems like it is almost as cheap as 22lr, so I have to see this first.

Ok, so i'm looking for mil surplus and I would buy a case (~440 rounds) of all the different types they had and hope that they could be reloaded for hunting rounds later.

So what are your thoughts?
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I doubt you can find 440 rounds of 7.62X54R for that price the going rate is areound 90.00 to 100.00 bucks + shipping. Some of it is corrosive which jusmeans you should clean your rifle every time you go out and shoot it.....I am pretty sure none of the mulsurp 7.62X54R is brass cased and even if it was it is probably berdan primed. They are generally steel cases (not reloadable).

7.62X39 and .223 are probably the cheapest centerfire ammo you can buy...neither will perform like your K-91 does. Both are good calibers out to 350 yards (conventional wisdom is 400 yards) in my opinion.

I can't shoot as well as I did when I was young (I'm 50 next month) 200 yards is my best accurate shot these days.
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5.45x39 can be had for around $150 per 1000 rounds. It's used in AK-74 and a couple of manufacturers make AR-15s in this caliber (S&W being one of them)
Old 06-11-2011, 11:58 PM
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$30 for a spam-can of surplus 7.62x54R? Maybe 10 years ago . . . the going rate these days is around $90-$100 for the "good deals."

Still makes for pretty cheap ammo though. Problem is the M44 kicks like a mule and the only semi-auto I know of that fires that round is the Dragunov or its variants (PSL).

As lonestar said 7.62x39 and 5.56/223 are probably the next cheapest to buy bulk.

I own a K31 as well . . . check aimsurplus.com, they have the 60-round packs of milsurp 7.5swiss on there from time to time, usually around $35
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I think SGAmmo has the 54r spam cans for around 77 dollars, but that is as cheap as you will find it. Still a great price for the punch that round will give you though. I still prefer 8mm Mauser, but have both.

For cheap shooting in normal CQB type encounters, the 7.62x39 is the winner hands down, and the guns are cheap enough too. You can even dig deep and keep with non-corrosive ammo without breaking the bank. Steel cased, but those weapons are designed to fire the stuff.
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Common military surplus, or imported new rounds

7.62x54 mosin nagant - $80-100 per 440 round tin $.18-.22 cents a round.

7.62x39 AK / SKS - $180-240 per 1000 rounds. $.18 to .24 cents a round

5.45x39 AK74 - $150-170 per 1000 rounds. .15-17 cents a round.

9mm carbine rifle - $11-13 per 50 rounds. .22-.26 cents a round

.223 rifle - $230 per 1000 steel cased $400 per 1000 reloadable .23-40 cents a round.

Pro's and cons.

7.62x54. Almost all of it's corrosive, need to clean the gun well after shooting. Although reliable, the mosin has some quirks to it. some complain of recoil and limits on sight adjustability. My opinion, you already have a surplus bolt action rifle. you probably have one of the best ones too.

7.62x39. This is my choice. Affordable semi-automatic. guns are accurate as you can be with open iron sights. Plenty good for deer hunting up to 150 yards. Very low recoil. Now too many down to it, if you consider a 200 yard or closer gun not the be a problem. It real isn't in my borderline mountains / valley small farm field / wooded area. A 10 shot quick to reload semi-automatic is a huge step up from bolt rifle at close to moderate ranges.

5.45x39. Pretty much like above. It's russia's answer to the AR-15. However, there is no practical way of reloading 5.45x39 right now. No reloadable brass is made. Things will likely change in the near future, but right now, If import ammo is banned, your up a creek without a paddle with 5.45x39. Hornady does offer ammo for this gun, but the cases are imported from russia. If a import ban did come about, there is enough 5.45x39 demand in the usa to make brass cased ammo for it.

9mm carbine- A good choice in my opinion. The bulet dives after 125 yards. However, it's affordable to shoot are there is a good selection of firearms available. One to suit almost any taste or budget. It is a relatively weak cartridge, however with proper bullect selection, it could work well. Even better is the 38/357 magnum lever guns. for a dedicated hunting rifle, it is a touch on the weak side, but not that bad. Affordable to shoot. I also encourage a non-semi-automatic quality option for defense in the safe, in the case if semi-autos do end up being non-grandfather banned. My option is the marlin 336 lever gun in .30-30.

.223- An excellent option. Ammo is everwhere. Even the non-military rifle folks find .223 bolt action rifles a very common choice. Many excellent rifles in this caliber. It is a touch more expensive on average than other options, but reloading can make it a winner. You really should reload since you own a 7.5 k31.

.308/.30-06- not mentioned above. The rifle is expensive to buy at first, besides bolt action models. However there is german and south african battle packs available at .30-40 cents a round. CMP (civilian marksmenship program) is an extnesion of sort of the US military, they have affordable .30-06 ammunition available. Far as I know, the only major source of surplus .30-06. Excellent choice again, reloading makes it even cheaper.
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Except adding the 8mm Mauser as another possibility, albeit a bit more expensive for surplus corrosive than the 54r, I agree. The mauser is a better rifle than the Mosin in my opinion, though I do own both and would feel fine with either.
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I didn't add the 8mm mauser, because supplies are not as common as they used to be. It's a great rifle, I own one. I don't shoot surplus out of it. I reload for it. however, no real need to reload for it for now. I shoot it infrequently, so reloading isn't a big hassle for me.
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I didn't add the 8mm mauser, because supplies are not as common as they used to be. It's a great rifle, I own one. I don't shoot surplus out of it. I reload for it. however, no real need to reload for it for now. I shoot it infrequently, so reloading isn't a big hassle for me.
Ditto - surplus ammo is not as easily found nor as in-expensive.

I have to say that I am leaning towards a scoutized Mosin with the best barrel I can find and possibly an extra (cleaning kit and rear sites in rear stock). It seems that so much 7.62x54r ammo is available in so many differet types (AP, API, steel core, etc). For theprices offered, buy a case of each and have fun.

If I went semi-auto it would be .223 win. although I would prefer buying a gun chanbered to the Nato 5.56 round so that I could shoot both that and the .223 win, yes?
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I didn't add the 8mm mauser, because supplies are not as common as they used to be. It's a great rifle, I own one. I don't shoot surplus out of it. I reload for it. however, no real need to reload for it for now. I shoot it infrequently, so reloading isn't a big hassle for me.
Ditto - surplus ammo is not as easily found nor as in-expensive.

I have to say that I am leaning towards a scoutized Mosin with the best barrel I can find and possibly an extra (cleaning kit and rear sites in rear stock). It seems that so much 7.62x54r ammo is available in so many differet types (AP, API, steel core, etc). For theprices offered, buy a case of each and have fun.

If I went semi-auto it would be .223 win. although I would prefer buying a gun chanbered to the Nato 5.56 round so that I could shoot both that and the .223 win, yes?
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http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=8mm

Quite a bit of good yugo surplus for under 30 cents a round. That sure beats the pricing on 308. The yugo stuff is full power ammo too, not like the romy spam cans that are downloaded, or most american spec'd stuff that has been loaded to 30-30 pressures. I already have plenty. I just prefer the 8mm to the 54r, but shoot both.
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Use this to quickly shop for price.

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5.45x39 can be had for around $150 per 1000 rounds. It's used in AK-74 and a couple of manufacturers make AR-15s in this caliber (S&W being one of them)
This is your answer, but it won't fill your power requirement.

I don't have any problem finding spam cans of surplus 8mm.

Just remember, surplus stuff comes in waves. They flood the market with a certain gun or caliber ammo, then it's dry for a few years, then they "find" another boatload of the stuff in some crusty warehouse in Serbia or Romania. Not implying that there's any big conspiracy. It's probably just 3rd world politics.
IOW, if you're afraid of a particular supply drying up, it probably won't.
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i was wondering if you guys could tell me if Prvi Partizan is a good brand of bullet for my .303 brit at 180 grains for taking deer
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i was wondering if you guys could tell me if Prvi Partizan is a good brand of bullet for my .303 brit at 180 grains for taking deer
For the minor difference in cost I would go with Federal, Winchester or Remington ammo for my .303.

It is as expensive to feed as any new rifle in a caliber other than .308 if not more so.
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Dig in http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/...gton_5.56x45mm
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Privi PArtizan loads some military surplus rounds rather mildly due to concerns about them firing in guns safely. There are justified reasons the ammo makers do this.

Far as I am aware, there really isn't any specific about .303 enfield gun problems. I know little about them.

If it's anything like the .30-30 rounds, you're good to go. Best bet is the chronograph it and make sure you know where the bullet points at longer ranges.

Most ammo makers will use a common bullet for various cartridges. Your .303 enfield is a specific bullet for that cartridge. Bullets are designed to expand at certain velocities. Too fast and they break apart, too slow and they don't expand much. Your probably got a winner there.
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If i remember right, the 5.45X39 is the cheapest. With the 7.62X54r and 7.62X39 being close runners up.
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I have shot 5.45x39 rifles several times. Definitely a worthy firearm to own. You can even pick up these rifles for about $400 these days too. Wasn't paying huge attention to the groups I produced. The barrel was already warm too. However, it didn't seem no better or worse than the AR's I have borrowed. Again, with other similar calibers, it is corrosive and you need to clean it. However, I shoot non-corrosive and clean it pretty much like if it was corrosive. Take care of a gun and it will take care of you.
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I've never shot corrosive ammo. Is it a nightmare to clean up? I'd love to hear suggestions.
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