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Old 05-19-2011, 11:36 PM
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This story demonstrates the ineffectiveness of handguns:


All of this over a couple of shoplifters

I know this video is anectdotal, but it demonstrates that even getting shot in the head with a .45 ACP doesn't guarantee instant incapacitation. Perhaps the outcome could have been worse had the bad guy chose to use jacketed-hollowpoints instead of full-metal jacket ammo.
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It never ceases to amaze me how fragile and durable the human body can be. Some people can die from a punch to the head, some can survive a bullet to the brain. Life and death is just a helluva crap shoot when it comes down to it.
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The sheriff was shot multiple times with a .45, including the head.
Nothing is a sure thing. Prepare for the worst case scenario. Have a back-up plan in order.
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I have heard of people surviving being struck by lightning, Being hit by trains, shot with a .50 rifle round. Falling from a plane and there shoot not opening. Try to jump off of buildings and surviving. Any and all of these are excellent soul dispatching mechanisms for the angel of death.

Just because once and a while someone defies the DEADLY effects of a pistol round to the head shows no evidence of pistol rounds being ineffective against a human target.

The only thing that is confirmed or validated is that he will die another day.

The picture below is of a boy that was walking around his house at night and the Father mistook him for a burglar. The father pulled a .357 magnum pointing it at his son and pulling the trigger. The wound was enormous as one could only imagine knowing the horrific ballistic energy that is dumped by that round when it strikes flesh and bone.

The kid lost half his brain and has undergone countless surgeries to repair the damaged area of the skull with foam and artificial bone plating.

Tell me another that you have know to survive a wound like this.....




The point is....BB gun or bazooka...Its better than nothing. If I have to fight someone with my fist I would choose to fight the guy I just shot in the Mellon with my .45 and still up for a round of boxing. I would hope you and all the others would agree you would have a better chance.......Ultimately.
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The sheriff was shot multiple times with a .45, including the head.
Nothing is a sure thing. Prepare for the worst case scenario. Have a back-up plan in order.
I have to say that when I first read the Filthy McNasty post on the subject I was understanding it to be someone claiming that the .45 is not a man stopper. I see that I may have jumped the gun (No pun intended).

Filthy McNasty is Right. HAVE A BACKUP PLAN! Don't put all of your eggs in one basket, unless your eggs are bullets and the basket is the bad guys mellon.

Either way, Filthy McNasty......My apologies brother. I spoke too soon.
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Old 05-20-2011, 01:22 AM
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It's all good, SH. I don't expect everyone to agree with me..


There are plenty of stories out there of individuals surviving .44 Magnum gunshot wounds; people that survived shotgun blasts to the face, etc..

The point of this thread is about what your back-up plan would be if the bad guy you're defending yourself against isn't inapacitated by your bullets. This happens a lot more often than you may think. What if all of your shots miss and you don't have an extra mag or speed-loader? What next? Handguns aren't as powerful as many are lead to believe, and aren't as accurate as long guns when the adrenaline is pumping hard
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the biggest thing is how many round can a person can take and then survive the shooting and that the reason to have a few back up plans when a go to heck in a hand basket
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I have heard of people surviving being struck by lightning, Being hit by trains, shot with a .50 rifle round. Falling from a plane and there shoot not opening. Try to jump off of buildings and surviving. Any and all of these are excellent soul dispatching mechanisms for the angel of death.

Just because once and a while someone defies the DEADLY effects of a pistol round to the head shows no evidence of pistol rounds being ineffective against a human target.

The only thing that is confirmed or validated is that he will die another day.

The picture below is of a boy that was walking around his house at night and the Father mistook him for a burglar. The father pulled a .357 magnum pointing it at his son and pulling the trigger. The wound was enormous as one could only imagine knowing the horrific ballistic energy that is dumped by that round when it strikes flesh and bone.

The kid lost half his brain and has undergone countless surgeries to repair the damaged area of the skull with foam and artificial bone plating.

Tell me another that you have know to survive a wound like this.....




The point is....BB gun or bazooka...Its better than nothing. If I have to fight someone with my fist I would choose to fight the guy I just shot in the Mellon with my .45 and still up for a round of boxing. I would hope you and all the others would agree you would have a better chance.......Ultimately.
Can you post the family name here so that I can read more of the medical history?

Years ago I knew a guy who lost 1/8th of his brain diving for a frisbee. He hit the hook of a bicycle rack.

I met him 10-15 years after it happened. He was a little odd... but basically normal.
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Can you post the family name here so that I can read more of the medical history?

Years ago I knew a guy who lost 1/8th of his brain diving for a frisbee. He hit the hook of a bicycle rack.

I met him 10-15 years after it happened. He was a little odd... but basically normal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahad_Israfil

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This happened locally, and both the cop and the perp took multiple hits during a chaotic gun battle. The "bullet placement" mantra that is repeated over and over on boards such as this may be fine for a day at the range, but the real world doesn't always happen like you think it will.
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If it had of been a 9mm, he would have been on is feet and playing Dance Dance Revolution in an hour. Pffftt.
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This story demonstrates the ineffectiveness of handguns:

YouTube - ‪Officer Jared Reston talks about when he was shot‬‏

All of this over a couple of shoplifters

I know this video is anectdotal, but it demonstrates that even getting shot in the head with a .45 ACP doesn't guarantee instant incapacitation. Perhaps the outcome could have been worse had the bad guy chose to use jacketed-hollowpoints instead of full-metal jacket ammo.
You would never know he was shot in the face.
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1. they're handguns not death rays people -
2. there are no guarantees in life

I couldn't see the video but was he out of the fight once he got beaned or not?
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As it has been said before:

Pistols are pistols. Rifles are rifles.
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As it has been said before:

Pistols are pistols. Rifles are rifles.
and it hurts like a sob to get hit with either ...
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and it hurts like a sob to get hit with either ...
Agreed, but the likelihood of surviving a .308 to the cranium isn't quite the same, as I'm sure you'd agree.


You're right the pistols aren't death rays. Rifles may not be either, but they're a lot closer.
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Just wasn't his time to die. God still has a plan for him. That's the only reason I can think of.
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I'm quite sure getting shot in the head with a .45 will stop anyone in their tracks immediately, even if they don't die. My backup plan? Shoot them again.
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1. they're handguns not death rays people -
2. there are no guarantees in life

I couldn't see the video but was he out of the fight once he got beaned or not?
Exactly my point. People watch bad guys get shot in the movies and they get blown out of their boots in a dramatic shower of sparks and spectacle. When bad guys get shot in real life and they don't respond like you anticipated, you better have a plan B or plan C at the ready.
Bad guys are on all sorts of pain-numbing, mind-altering drugs like cocaine, meth, speed, or just plain stinkin' drunk.. Adrenaline is another factor. If you can learn how to control your actions while the adrenaline is pumping, your odds of surviving a shootout are much greater

To answer your question, the sheriff kept on fighting with the shoplifter even after getting shot in the mouth.
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Thanks for the link. I'm always trying to learn about cases where people survive under the worst of conditions. This is the worst head injury survival I've ever seen.
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