Why do white supremacists cause more concern?

[woody-in-nc]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

The vast majority at the Klan rally I protested (If racism is protected speech, then so is anti-racism) were very much in support of what was being promoted.

I think what you mean by "better justice" is "I'm white so I'm safer with the Klan then the BPP." Both are evil organizations, but only one hates you. The other just hates everybody else.

I used to protest the klan, too. I got arrested at a rally back in 1992. I quit after that. I realized that it was the anti-racists that caused most of the violence at rallies. Ignore them, and they get no attention. The National Socialist Movement believe that even bad press is good press. Keep them in the news, and they will grow and get more attention. Ignore them, and few pay attention. Look at Toledo, OH back in 1996. Anti-racists rioted and the Nazis looked like law abiding citizens. It got my attention.

[M93]

Originally Posted by woody-in-nc

I used to protest the klan, too. I got arrested at a rally back in 1992. I quit after that. I realized that it was the anti-racists that caused most of the violence at rallies. Ignore them, and they get no attention. The National Socialist Movement believe that even bad press is good press. Keep them in the news, and they will grow and get more attention. Ignore them, and few pay attention. Look at Toledo, OH back in 1996. Anti-racists rioted and the Nazis looked like law abiding citizens. It got my attention.

Yes, I agree 100%.

[SkullyWV]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

Actually, they are the same except for pigmentation.

That's what I said, "they're not exactly the same".
Pigmentation is not the only difference. They have prominent traits just like Asians, Europeans, etc...

Should we hate those with different eye color? Hair color?

Of course not.

So no, I don't think racism is natural.

For more proof, get two children of a different race together without the parents showing any indication that there is a difference. The kids will just start playing. If racism was a natural instinct, they wouldn't do this. Racism is a learned behavior, whether you blame the media, parents, or whatever.

I never met a black person in person until I was six years old (1970). I was very uncomfortable around blacks then, but I don't remember why. I didn't actively dislike them or try to ridicule or do harm. I just behaved in such a way as to avoid a great deal of contact. This is why I wondered if basic racism could possibly be rooted in instinct.

[LegendGuy]

Originally Posted by SkullyWV

That's what I said, "they're not exactly the same".
Pigmentation is not the only difference. They have prominent traits just like Asians, Europeans, etc...


Of course not.



I never met a black person in person until I was six years old (1970). I was very uncomfortable around blacks then, but I don't remember why. I didn't actively dislike them or try to ridicule or do harm. I just behaved in such a way as to avoid a great deal of contact. This is why I wondered if basic racism could possibly be rooted in instinct.

I wasn't trying to ridicule or anything, but my point in pigmentation is that it is just all skin deep. It's all appearance. I just don't happen to think racism is natural or rooted in instinct.

I'm going to assume you live in US (which may bite me in the butt), but do you think that your environment had something to do with it. I wasn't born until the early 80s so I don't know what 1970s America was really like. Maybe the general attitude in your area was one of "separate, but equal" so to speak. Basically, they didn't hate other races but didn't want to be around them.

[woody-in-nc]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

I wasn't trying to ridicule or anything, but my point in pigmentation is that it is just all skin deep. It's all appearance. I just don't happen to think racism is natural or rooted in instinct.

I'm going to assume you live in US (which may bite me in the butt), but do you think that your environment had something to do with it. I wasn't born until the early 80s so I don't know what 1970s America was really like. Maybe the general attitude in your area was one of "separate, but equal" so to speak. Basically, they didn't hate other races but didn't want to be around them.

I think I can debunk that theory. I was born in 1974, in South Carolina. When I was 4, my dad built a house on the other side of town because he didn't want me and my brother to grow up having to go to a "black" high school. When I was in 8th grade, the brainwashing began with a book that was claimed to be the actual diary of a Jewish girl in hiding. From then on, I was a die-hard anti-prejudice protester. So, white, growing up around racially conscious parents in the south, and being anti-racist. So much for that. Most of the jobs I've had in my life, I got along much better with the blacks, even though I was a baggy pants wearing rap fan. I just accepted them, and overlooked any bad in them.

When I was 30, my views changed. I was a father to a beautiful little girl, and we had recently started a war with people that loved to cut the heads off anyone. I also worked with mostly blacks, half of them going to the same church as my manager, who was black. Seemed everyone of them was hired making more money than me, and I'd been there for many years more than they had. I also had a MUCH smaller criminal record (to this day, I have a non-violent misdemeanor) and no drug/alcohol abuse history. I'd not been in prison. I had a higher education, and well spoken.

So, I go from growing up as a white kid in the South, with right wing parents to being an anti-racist for half my life, then back to distinguishing racial differences and having a preference to being around those more like me. Racism? Hatred? Supremacy? Which is it? Or, all of them? Obviously, it's all racism, because you can't separate any of them, right? I think I read that earlier.

[SkullyWV]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

I'm going to assume you live in US (which may bite me in the butt), but do you think that your environment had something to do with it. I wasn't born until the early 80s so I don't know what 1970s America was really like. Maybe the general attitude in your area was one of "separate, but equal" so to speak. Basically, they didn't hate other races but didn't want to be around them.

West Virginia to be precise.
I think you are right about the environment, at least in my case. There was no hostility, physical/actual or implied regarding other races. They were so scarce that in my mind they didn't really exist, they had their places, we had ours.

I once had a conversation with a very old black man about 25 years ago or so, who told me that desegregation was the worst thing to happen to blacks since slavery.

This opinion too was probably a product of circumstance and perception, but he made a good argument. He said that blacks used to have their own towns, businesses and schools; their own rich, middle class and poor people. Everything was done "the black way" and "we didn't have to answer to people that didn't understand us...white people".

This also makes me think that racism could be the result of forced desegregation's effect on something, though I can't name it, that is instinctual.

Man does have plenty of ability to override natural instinct though. Eating hot peppers and smoking tobacco are two prime examples.

[SkullyWV]

Originally Posted by Sgian Dubh

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

You have a point. It seems that when oppressed people climb up and out of the oppression, the best they usually do is to emulate their oppressors. Not always but there is a lot of history.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white

In "pop" culture, this is absolutely true, and unfortunately "pop" culture has a great deal of bearing on everything. It amazes me how many white people are anti-white either to gain power in non-white populations, or they are just stupid.

[LegendGuy]

Originally Posted by Sgian Dubh

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

Who is "everybody" that is demanding intermarriage? I have never heard a single person advocate it. I have heard many advocate bigots not harassing intermarried couples. Is that what is offending you?

While we are at where are these swarms of black people being ushered into the US? Why would you be threatened by other people being here? Afraid your skin might darken?

And what genocide against white people? Are you on e again referring to being asked to respect the intermarriage of others?

I hate racism not just white racism. The Black Panther Party are acting like fools as well, but there aren't exactly any on this forum.

To quote Dr Tobias Funke: "I think you hate White Power Bill."

[LegendGuy]

Originally Posted by SkullyWV

You have a point. It seems that when oppressed people climb up and out of the oppression, the best they usually do is to emulate their oppressors. Not always but there is a lot of history.


In "pop" culture, this is absolutely true, and unfortunately "pop" culture has a great deal of bearing on everything. It amazes me how many white people are anti-white either to gain power in non-white populations, or they are just stupid.

This is really only true post Roman Empire. In the US this has been true since there has been an Irish and black president. If this system doesn't end first you can expect a Hispanic president in about 50 years.

I would argue that 95% of pop culture is stupid regardless of race.

[woody-in-nc]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

Who is "everybody" that is demanding intermarriage? I have never heard a single person advocate it. I have heard many advocate bigots not harassing intermarried couples. Is that what is offending you?

You have heard this and that, but there are lots of things that you haven't heard. My wife has always been a very liberal woman. She's finishing her degree in Psychology. There is an older lady that is mixed (half white, half black). This lady dates blacks only. The lady got sick of hearing all these fresh-out-of-high-school girls coming up to her saying they wanted a mixed baby because they are so much cuter than other babies, and how their black boyfriend this and that, and how their black boyfriend's baby-mama did this or that. It has happened so much that my wife is now racist! Like me, she's not a hater, she just got sick of being around the crap.

While we are at where are these swarms of black people being ushered into the US? Why would you be threatened by other people being here? Afraid your skin might darken?

I'm definitely not worried my skin will darken. That's a phrase that is usually said by a black person to a white person. If you are black, just say so. If you are anti-white, just say so. If you wish all people could stop the world and melt together into one race, just say so. Diversity is good. But, that doesn't mean that we have to force mix. At some point, multiculturalism destroys diversity. Once we are all the same, there is no diversity. Once we are all the same, it gets boring.

And what genocide against white people? Are you on e again referring to being asked to respect the intermarriage of others?

If you consider the different "races" in the world, the white people are definitely smaller in numbers. I was talking to someone who liked the phrase I used. There is active genocide, then there is passive genocide. Active genocide is what the South African blacks have tried to do to the Boers. Active genocide is what Hitler tried to do to the Jews. Passive genocide is using media and propaganda to convince people to "drink the kool-aid". Look at TV and you will see interracial relationships not only being pushed for acceptance, but they are encouraged. They are being portrayed as not only acceptable, but the "norm". Back to "The Jeffersons", there was a white guy with a black lady. It was weird, but they made it funny. "The Cosby Show had an interracial relationship, and it was treated as normal". Now, shows and musicians make it out to be the expected. A quote from Braveheart by Longshanks: "If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out." Interracial relationships are NOT the norm, though they happen. Overwhelming multiculturalism has destroyed more empires than anything else. Rome is a perfect example. All the people from all the lands live together, blend religion, blood, and culture. If it is ok to encourage interracial relationships, why is it not ok to discourage it? And, not only with interracial relationships, homosexuality is also pushed through all sorts of media outlets. Homosexuality is a definite means of eugenics. Gays can't breed, but somehow, they are managing to have kids, thanks to science. But, that's another topic all together.

I hate racism not just white racism. The Black Panther Party are acting like fools as well, but there aren't exactly any on this forum.

Hate breeds hate. The blacks during the Civil Rights era showed peaceful protests instead of violence meeting violence. Sure, some people got hurt, but they showed they were people, too. Killing people with kindness and love doesn't work, does it? Rev Wayne Watts, a black preacher, used kindness and love to change the heart of Johnny Lee Clary, former KKK leader. Watch this:

YouTube - Former Ku Klux Klan leader...

[LegendGuy]

Woody,

This sounds like some teenage girls who find interracial babies adorable. That doesn't seem like the forcing of intermarriage that you insinuated. Teenagers create drama period. So the woman is attracted to black guys. That should be no bigger deal then you being attracted to white women. Even if she has racist reasons for doing so, her wrong doesn't make someone roses wrong right. Your wife being incapable of separating the actions of a minority from the rest of the group.

I am Romany/Caucasian. I married a white girl. I don't demand anyone have an interracial marriage, I just say "shut up about others doing it". I am not advocating forced intermarriage obviously. I am saying that it just pigmentation and shouldn't make any difference in how someone views someone else. I also think it is asinine to make a judgement about a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority. (Not all Republicans are Rush) I find it sad that people think everyone would be exactly the same if we all shared a common pigmentation and ancestory. For example, me and you are both white. There are black people that have more in common with either one of us then we do with each other.

Your genocide theory is still ridiculus. Why shouldn't TV shows portray interracial couples as normal? It is two people who are married. It is a man and a woman who are married. It may not be as common as same race marriage, but it is far from abnormal. Me and the wife have about 10 couples that we go do things with. 4 of those are interracial couples. My kid has about 5 kids that he plays with on a regular basis. 2 are interracial. We didn't choose them because they were interracial, but because they are a blast to be with. I really only notice that they are interracial when the topic gets brought up, usually when some jerk makes a comment. Since this thread started I have asked them all what factors led to them choosing an interracial relationship. All of them said they loved their wife/husband. All but one couple had dated someone of the same race and it just went nowhere. The one couple might of had they not gotten together when they were 17. I think your comparison to homosexuality disgusting. One is a moral issue and the other is just your prejudice. One is unnatural while the other is perfectly natural.

Before anyone goes off on me for "gaybashing" I have no problem with them just their lifestyle. I will share what the Bible says about homosexuality just as I will share what it says about fornication and everything else. I will not lose the least bit of sleep over what they do with the information. I don't care if they show gay couples on TV. I have a remote control I don't have to watch it. I don't even care if they get married. It won't lessen the value of my marriage one iota.

Back to my regularly scheduled rebuttal...

I want to clarify that I hate the sin and not the sinner. Racism is a sin. I actually know a former Klan member who has black friends now that he has learned about the Bible.

[SkullyWV]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

This is really only true post Roman Empire. In the US this has been true since there has been an Irish and black president. If this system doesn't end first you can expect a Hispanic president in about 50 years.

Like I said, a lot of history.

I would argue that 95% of pop culture is stupid regardless of race.

That wouldn't be an argument, that would be an axiom.

[woody-in-nc]

Originally Posted by Sgian Dubh

He is a prime example of an anti-white.

http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/files/page.php?p=2

Yeah, I know all about that guy. The point I was making is that hate, whether it's for the "sin" of racism or for the "sinner" that is racist, isn't positive. I'm far from a fan of Clary. I know lots of sources for anti-white propaganda. It all annoys the hell out of me. Most of them find any reason to call someone racist and belittle them. But, then turn around and post pictures of "black power" on their site, like www.onepeoplesproject.com who is always calling someone racist. According to them, Ron Paul is a racist because there are racists that support his campaign. Funny, so I guess that makes him a Christian Pagan Atheist Black Racist White Guy that is an anti-war soldier that is gay and straight. There are people of all of those, and more, that support him, so that makes him all of them, right?

I still stand by what I said. If someone calls me racist, so be it. Any rationalization isn't going to change my views. I've been on both sides of the fence (anti-racist and racist). I got my views, and they are right in the middle of where I have been. I've heard the propaganda for anti-racists, racists, anarchist, socialist, conservative, and liberal. I've been all over, and know where and why I stand, and I really don't need to prove myself to anyone like the Legend.

[LegendGuy]

Originally Posted by Sgian Dubh

He is a prime example of an anti-white.

http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/files/page.php?p=2

Okay this is ridiculus to call this guy anti-white. No where is he calling for an end to the white race or that everyone should intermarry or any of the other accusations you people have made.

He said that if parents want their children to not be racist they need to set the proper example. What would be wrong with having black people in your church? Do you not think Jesus loves them too?

[woody-in-nc]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

Okay this is ridiculus to call this guy anti-white. No where is he calling for an end to the white race or that everyone should intermarry or any of the other accusations you people have made.

He said that if parents want their children to not be racist they need to set the proper example. What would be wrong with having black people in your church? Do you not think Jesus loves them too?

I don't, but then again, I don't believe in Jesus.

This whole topic has gotten a bit out of hand.

[predestyned]

i grew up in the projects in south ga. during the late 60's and 70's. my racism is a learned experience, a survival instinct. i had to fight on the way to school ,fight at school, fight on the way home from school .why? because i was white and made very aware that whites and blacks are different... lesson well learned.! i had a fat racists english teacher who hated me and made my life miserable for once correcting her spelling in front of the class. even then at an early age i knew something was wrong when i was smarter than my teacher. i also had a black coach who was racist towards me, i was very atheletic and was always picked for football. i never dropped a pass ,hands like glue. he never once praised my ability as he did the black kids, or urged me to play for the school. it was as if he was jealous if i played better than a black kid. i had 15-16 yr. olds kicking my ass at twelve ,while their mothers egged them on. blacks are some of the racist "people"(and i use the word loosely) that i have ever seen!ive been left to fight alone while my black "friends" quickly deserted to the "other" side . no i didnt just wake up one day and decide to be "racist" !
sure i tell my children to never trust a black kid or count any as your friends. why? because i have already experienced it and would rather my children not have to go thru the things i have. i gaurantee you i could take any one of you so called anti-racists and let you walk a day in my shoes and you would be changed forever. its easy to be "anti-racists " when you live in the suburbs and your only exposure to blacks is the rare black kid that goes to your school who acts white. or the semi-educated black guy at work who you envite to all of your christmas parties. there is another world out here full of animals, savages who would like nothing more than to rape your wives and daughters, or stabbing your sons to death for a dollar. take heed....most white victims of black crime were "anti-racists" and chose to go against their "natural" instincts and allow themselves to become victims. mostly i blame their liberal brainwashed parents who passed on their foolish ideas to their gullable children, sad. i can assure you my children and most of my friends children will not be victims.

[LegendGuy]

Originally Posted by predestyned

i grew up in the projects in south ga. during the late 60's and 70's. my racism is a learned experience, a survival instinct. i had to fight on the way to school ,fight at school, fight on the way home from school why? because i was white and made very aware that whites and blacks are different... lesson well learned.! sure i tell my children to never trust a black kid or count any as your friends. why? because i have already experienced it and would rather my children not have to go thru the things i have. i gaurantee you i could take any one of you so called anti-racists and let you walk a day in my shoes and you would be changed forever. its easy to be "anti-racists " when you live in the suburbs and your only exposure to blacks is the rare black kid that goes to your school who acts white. or the semi-educated black guy at work who you envite to all of your christmas parties. there is another world out here full of animals, savages who would like nothing more than to rape your wives and daughters, or stabbing your sons to death for a dollar. take heed....most white victims of black crime were "anti-racists" and chose to go against their "natural" instincts and allow themselves to become victims. mostly i blame their liberal brainwashed parents who passed on their foolish ideas to their gullable children, sad. i can assure you my children and most of my friends children will not be victims.

I am sorry you had a rough childhood. I know black men your age who suffered the same fate for living in poor white neighborhoods. It was a turbulent time for race relations and you lived in Georgia. Hating blacks for what happened in Georgia in the 60s and 70s is as pointless as blacks hating whites for what happened in Georgia in the 60s and 70s. It is silly. Look I got beat up and picked on from grade school on up. I don't hate all jocks and everyone who shops at Ambercrombie and Finch.

I have been, and will be again, in "black" neighborhoods in Indianapolis, Cincinatti, and Dayton doing ministry work door to door. I have had some uncomfortable moments but no more then in white neighborhoods. Actually, the most danger situations I have encountered have all been in poor, rural areas at whit people's homes. I have been at crack houses and I can tell you I felt less threatened then when I've knocked on the door while a white guy was cooking his meth.

I plan to pass on to my child what the Bible teaches which is to ignore race, nationality, and language to teach all people about the Bible. (Acts 10:33-35) If that is brainwashing, so be it. At least he will be a loving person who is capable of seeing past the color of someone's skin. If he can't I will have failed as a father.

[predestyned]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

I am sorry you had a rough childhood. I know black men your age who suffered the same fate for living in poor white neighborhoods. It was a turbulent time for race relations and you lived in Georgia. Hating blacks for what happened in Georgia in the 60s and 70s is as pointless as blacks hating whites for what happened in Georgia in the 60s and 70s. It is silly. Look I got beat up and picked on from grade school on up. I don't hate all jocks and everyone who shops at Ambercrombie and Finch.

I have been, and will be again, in "black" neighborhoods in Indianapolis, Cincinatti, and Dayton doing ministry work door to door. I have had some uncomfortable moments but no more then in white neighborhoods. Actually, the most danger situations I have encountered have all been in poor, rural areas at whit people's homes. I have been at crack houses and I can tell you I felt less threatened then when I've knocked on the door while a white guy was cooking his meth.

I plan to pass on to my child what the Bible teaches which is to ignore race, nationality, and language to teach all people about the Bible. (Acts 10:33-35) If that is brainwashing, so be it. At least he will be a loving person who is capable of seeing past the color of someone's skin. If he can't I will have failed as a father.

i dont neccessarily hate them i just prefer to avoid them in every aspect of my life. even the house i bought was based on what school my children would go to and it is 99.9% white. you can teach yours all that b.s. about us all being just alike and dream of sitting around camp fires singing kumbaya. but as for me and mine we understand the differences and will stick with our own..
btw...they leave you be because they think you are gonna give them something for free.dont try walking up in those places without your bible,rev.

[MrRickRochester]

Originally Posted by Harmless Drudge

Anyway, that's my theory as to why white supremacy is so repulsive, and why it is used to such great effect by politicians, especially Democrats, who, ironically, are typically the ones populating the ranks of these groups in the first place.

I think "white supremacy" in your opinion is repulsive, because deep down you are anti-white.

No one is flooding Japan with millions of Non-Japanese and encouraging everyone to "mix".

No one is flooding Africa with millions of Non-Africans and encouraging everyone to "mix".

Only citizens of White/European countries like the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and all the countries in Europe are having this immigration forced on them, until white people become vanishing minorities everywhere.

I wonder how many non-whites would become "racially hostile" and join supremacist groups, if they were being targeted for GeNOcide in their own countries, by people calling themselves "anti-racists".

They say they are anti-racist, but what they really are, is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

[MrRickRochester]

Originally Posted by LegendGuy

Your genocide theory is still ridiculus. Why shouldn't TV shows portray interracial couples as normal?

Japan has around 128 million people. They are 98.5% Japanese. Sure there are some "guest workers". But when they get shipped out there is little dissent from the international community. If a white country closes the border they scream bloody murder.

Just because liberal think tank puts up a website saying Japan should let in Non Japanese. That doesn't mean Japan will do so. They are hardly facing pressure. This website and the groups attached go back quite a ways. They do not appear to be making a dent into Japan.

There is a big difference between a few Korean workers being allowed to live in certain buildings in Tokyo. And what you will read below happening in California. Again this type of "forced integration" is for all White countries and ONLY White Countries.

Obama administration: California’s whitest county MUST BE FORCIBLY INTEGRATED.
http://cofcc.org/2011/03/obama-admin...ly-integrated/

Non White countries do routinely have guest workers and such. However, they do so at their own leisure. No White Country has ever been allowed a vote on this subject.

By the way, China has tried to force immigration (and integration of groups like Tibetan Nomads) into Tibet. This has routinely been labeled Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide by the UN. You will never hear a peep about the above clear and consistent Targeting of White Children.

forced immigration into all white countries and only white countries (anywhere else is labeled genocide)

forced integration into all white countries and only white countries (anywhere else is labeled genocide)

then they push interracial relationships in all white countries and only white countries .......hmmmmm....there is a pattern emerging here

then they promote a Brown future for ALL White Countries...hmmmm

.......SURE is difficult to see how the word Genocide applies here...

Antiwhite:"there are no such thing as white children"
ProWhite:"Of course not! In your visions of the future, you have eliminated them all".