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Old 08-05-2007, 08:19 AM
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hello, I am thinking about getting a 9mm carbine for target shooting and home defense, which would you recomend, the hi point 995 or the kel tec sub rifle 2000, also, is it true that the hi point jams alot or is that just gun site rumors? thanks.
Old 08-05-2007, 08:33 AM
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i don't know about the carbines but i don't have a problem with my hi point pistol jamming, i'm thinking of getting a carbine myself but going with the .40
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My vote goes towards two rifles.


One is the Ruger PC-9. This rifle accepts the Ruger P series magazines. So this would be a good choice for someone with a Ruger P-89 in 9mm, or P91 in 40.

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProd...=4701&return=Y
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The other one is the Marlin 9mm carbine.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=77196838
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I do not know if marlin still makes the camp 9.
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Unfortunately, Marlin no longer makes the Camp 9 or the Camp .45, the latter of which accepted 1911 magazines. To me, the Ruger is just way too expensive at nearly $600 for that type of weapon. I'd be inclined to purchase the Marlin used or possibly the Hi-Point new. If you go to Hi-Point's website, there's a PDF of a Gun Tests comparison between the Ruger and Hi-Point with their recommendation that one purchase the Hi-Point.

Here's the link for the Gun Test review:
http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/documents/guntest.pdf

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I have both the Hi-Point 995 and the Kel-Tec SUB-2000. I like the Kel-Tec best but the Hi-Point is a very servicable and reliable firearm in my experience. The lightweight and portaboility of a Sub-Rifle make it an effective defense longgun within its range limitations. I for one would not be reluctant at going against an aggressor armed with a AK clone with my Kel-Tec in the 100 yard range. I can reload faster than he can for one and bring my firearm into battery faster.
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I have a Hi-Point 995 carbine that I got used it is quite accurate and fits into my arsenal plans. It is not a main defense gun but makes for a good firearm to carry around the compound and scouting.
While some may think it is comparing apples to oranges consider this comparison. The 995 is a 100 yard range weapon in my opinion. An SKS is a 150 yarder. Where I am at 100 yards would be a long shot.
The 995 weighs 4 pounds less than a SKS. Nice when lugging up the hills.
Both have 10 shot magazines. The SKS is a fixed magazine and reloading requires using a stripper clip and both hands with the gun in an out of battery position. The 995 is a grip push button detachable magazine requiring just one hand to reload and the other can hold the 995 in a ready position.
Ballistically the 7.62x39 is superior? The 995 will handle +P+ 9mm. A potent round even at 100 yards. A +P+ 110gr 9mm equals a 110 .357 magnun bullet ballistically at 100 yards when fired from a carbine.
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I'm going to have to recommend the Ruger also. A buddy of mine had a Kel Tec sub-2000 in 9mm and it was by no means pleasant to shoot. Terrible trigger pull and the recoil was sharp even though it was only 9mm.
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I will dig out the article but one gun mag did a comparision between the Hi-Point and the Ruger.
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I will dig out the article but one gun mag did a comparision between the Hi-Point and the Ruger.
..I added a link to the Gun Tests article comparing the Ruger against the Hi-Point.
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The Sub 2000 is made to accept many different hand gun magazines. Check and see if you already have a pistol that matches one of the sub 2000s set ups. This seems to me would make a nice little bug out combo, since the sub 2000 folds in half. I have been thinking of getting one to match my glock 23.

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On the Kel-Tec you can order the parts to convert your SUB-2000 to accept another type magazine like converting mine from Berretta 92 to Glock. They are very affordable. Though why anyone would have a Glock is beyond me
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