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Old 04-28-2011, 01:18 PM
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Question which is better para 1911 GI expert or rock island 1911 tactical.



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I have narrow down my options to the para or the rock island which one is a better buy.


The para 1911 GI is $511 with free shipping at www.budsgunshop.com the rock island 1911 is $490 at www.jgsales.com
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Neither is great but I suppose if I had to choose one of those two I would go with the Rock Island. My advice to you though would be to spend a little more and get a higher quality gun. For $600 you can get a Taurus PT1911 or a Remington R1. Both are getting great reviews for quality and accuracy. Or if you can afford to spend $700 then you can get a Kimber Classic II. This is what I own and it is a fantastic 1911 that is manufactured to the highest standards and tolerances, and is a real pleasure to shoot.
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I have a Taurus Pt1911, absolutely love that gun.

As for which one to get, its a completely personal choice - which one fits your hands better? Which one feels better? There are some individual characteristics to different manufacturers of guns - some have tighter tolerances on the slide, some don't like JHP rounds (the taurus doesn't, I can tell you that): these change from gun to gun.

Hold as many of them as you can, and make a choice that fits well with what you feel - not what someone says is the best.
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The two you picked out are fine but in my humble opinion...I'd choose the Para over the Rock Island. Why? The Para is made with a forged slide and frame...the Rock Island utilizes cheaper cast slides and frames.

The 1911 design was engineered for forged major components. Now...with that said....some firearm manufacturers...Ruger comes to mind producing outstanding handguns using cast frames. But compare a Ruger handgun with cast frames/slides to a competitor item and you will see the Ruger is built heavy...necessary to ensure strength due to the cast parts potentially having unseen voids/weak areas.
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Forging and casting are two different ways of producing the same part. There is next to no difference in structural strength or integrity between the two, apart from a cost difference.

Both pieces end up getting milled anyways, in order to meet tolerances in the design.
Both forging and casting have their advantages and disadvantages in manufacturing terms, but apart from that they are the same.

So, it doesn't matter if a slide is cast or forged, until you look at the cost of the gun. Stick with whichever gun you feel comfortable with.
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I have a GI expert. Its a nail driver and I love it!!
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Forging and casting are two different ways of producing the same part. There is next to no difference in structural strength or integrity between the two, apart from a cost difference.

Both pieces end up getting milled anyways, in order to meet tolerances in the design.
Both forging and casting have their advantages and disadvantages in manufacturing terms, but apart from that they are the same.

So, it doesn't matter if a slide is cast or forged, until you look at the cost of the gun. Stick with whichever gun you feel comfortable with.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with cast components...many machines including firearms use cast instead of forged parts.

However...the 1911 design is based on forged main components. Casting...without forging leaves very small voids and this can be overcome by using larger parts. Forging removes the voids and uniformly orients the metal grain structure. Yes...there is a difference in strength between cast and forged metal. Read up on the metallurgy processes.

Look at Ruger revolvers versus Smith & Wesson for a good comparison since Ruger uses castings predominantly. The Smiths all utilize forgings.

Ever see a modern firearm with a cast barrel? If you have correct me...as I have not? I wonder why? Ask the barrel manufacturers if they would consider using castings without hammer forging.
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I checked out the Taurus 1911 and it was a lot better then the Rock island and the remington..... For the money go the few extra hundred and get a sig or kimber.. Have shot the Sig 1911 and is 1 of the best shooting pistols I've ever used.... Also in several reviews it was rated best for price out of the box.....
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What do you guys think about the Walther P1 at www.jgsales.com,I was thinking if I can't get top quality in a 1911 platform in my budget I figured I would look for a different platform.
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I would save up a little more for a Springfiled GI, much better quality.
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Thess, turns out you are right. Forging is stronger than casting. My mistake, and I'm sorry to the OP for leading you otherwise.
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elixin...I hope I didn't come off sounding like a jerk in my post about cating/versus forging. If I did...it wasn't intended that way.
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its nigh impossible to emote emotions with text. So no, you didn't.

I like to think I learn something everyday, and will gladly admit that I am wrong if someone proves me wrong - theres no point in defending something that is flat out wrong, especially in a case like this where it could have taken a bit of research on my part to come to a conclusion, vs. spewing random thoughts out of my mouth that i thought were right, lol.
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copehagen or skoal
chevy or ford
camel or marlboro
stihl or husqvarna

but really so long as its not a lawyer locked taurus, it will be fine
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I checked out the Taurus 1911 and it was a lot better then the Rock island and the remington..... For the money go the few extra hundred and get a sig or kimber.. Have shot the Sig 1911 and is 1 of the best shooting pistols I've ever used.... Also in several reviews it was rated best for price out of the box.....
it may look better but ITS NOT!!
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if you want an every day carry gun both are fine I carry a spring field GI. The only things I have changed are the grips,the sights , and the beaver tail. Thats it its not a race gun. Its a 1911 it was designed to put large holes in things at close up distances.It is not a high tolerance gun it was not designed to be. With that being said I have some pretty cool decked out 1911s but I would not bet my life on one. I also have been looking at the rock islands and have not found a negative comment about them.

Thats just my opinion
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I would save up a little more for a Springfiled GI, much better quality.
and actually the earlier SA GI models were made by SAM, also out of the Philipines. They may still be but I'm not sure
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I carry the Para Ltc, and I would recommend this pistol highly from my experience. My buddy has the GI Expert and loves it.. he also has a RRA like you were looking at.. He replaced it as his carry gun with the Para. Personally I have only had one malfunction out of my para and I literally shoot it weekly and the malfunction was actually magazine related (brand new 8 round chip mcormick) I hate when people say "buy this pistol because it did so well for me or I can shoot a group tighter than a gnats *ss with this one ect". Go to a gunshop where you can compare them side by side and pay attention to the features that you want in a pistol and ones that you dont. You may find that you end up with a totally different pistol then what you started out looking for originally. I did. I went looking for a springfield XD and ended up with the Para. You need to find the gun that fits you. If you can manage it, I highly recommend test firing both of them as this will help your decision making immensely.
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Para..............................!
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copehagen or skoal
chevy or ford
camel or marlboro
stihl or husqvarna

but really so long as its not a lawyer locked taurus, it will be fine
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