Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > Survival & Preparedness Forum > Disaster Preparedness General Discussion
Articles Chat Room Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files



Disaster Preparedness General Discussion Anything Disaster Preparedness or Survival Related

Advertise Here
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-26-2011, 04:41 PM
Dilnad Dilnad is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 226
Thanks: 109
Thanked 355 Times in 107 Posts
Default What I don't understand about grain storage



Advertise Here

I see the occasional mention of bugs. I'm not sure I understand....

I am about to get a bunch of 1 gallon buckets and mylar bags and plan to start with beans and rice. I realize 5 and 6 gallon is the way to go but with my small vehicle and the way my condo is laid out, 1 gallon buckets are a lot more efficient for storage and bug out. Also being single I can crack open a gallon if needed without having months on end worth of beans with the clock now ticking.

So here's where I'm confused....
If I buy a bag of rice ( and still quite confused on what rice to buy LOL ) and pour it into mylar bags. Seal them with O2 absorbers, and store them in a closet, I need to worry about critters? This is what I'm gathering from my confusion. I don't even know what to search for to read up on it.

Someone please purge the stupidity on this subject out of my head so I can do this correctly please
Old 04-26-2011, 05:00 PM
lildrestl3's Avatar
lildrestl3 lildrestl3 is offline
Getting There !!!!
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Age: 43
Posts: 1,852
Thanks: 3,461
Thanked 1,237 Times in 690 Posts
Default

White rice last the longest.. Critters in the bag will not hatch with the proper OA and a good seal. Other critters to worry is Mice eating holes in the buckets and bags..
The Following User Says Thank You to lildrestl3 For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 05:02 PM
lildrestl3's Avatar
lildrestl3 lildrestl3 is offline
Getting There !!!!
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Age: 43
Posts: 1,852
Thanks: 3,461
Thanked 1,237 Times in 690 Posts
Default

The only bad question is the 1 never asked !!!
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to lildrestl3 For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 05:09 PM
The_Question's Avatar
The_Question The_Question is offline
28 Days Later
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Age: 31
Posts: 1,646
Thanks: 658
Thanked 1,126 Times in 588 Posts
Default

anyone know a site for good 02 absorbers? and the best material for sealing? Should help other people with this problem.
Old 04-26-2011, 05:15 PM
Allamakee County's Avatar
Allamakee County Allamakee County is offline
Pleasantly demented woman
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New Albin, Iowa
Age: 52
Posts: 3,485
Thanks: 6,466
Thanked 5,331 Times in 2,162 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Question View Post
anyone know a site for good 02 absorbers? and the best material for sealing? Should help other people with this problem.
I get mine from USAEmergencySupply.com. But there are many sources, including the LDS website.

Material for sealing... what? The Mylar bags? - Those you heat seal. You actually melt the plastic. I use my daughter's hair straightening iron. Don't tell her.
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Allamakee County For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Dilnad Dilnad is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 226
Thanks: 109
Thanked 355 Times in 107 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lildrestl3 View Post
White rice last the longest.. Critters in the bag will not hatch with the proper OA and a good seal. Other critters to worry is Mice eating holes in the buckets and bags..
Ok white Rice it is. Pinto beans as well were already decided on because I eat tons of them already.

I plan to use gallon bags and buckets and put (2) 300cc OAs in each. Might even do 3 each as I suspect I will have extra OAs that will just go to waste.

I don't have mice ( or at least not at the moment but you never know ) but I doubt they will be able to get up on my closet shelves. let's hope not.

On the rice subject. Long grain? Other kinds? Does it matter or is white rice white rice. I just don't know anything about it as I regularly eat brown rice. I just know that white is better for LTS.

Thanks for the advice!!
Old 04-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Allamakee County's Avatar
Allamakee County Allamakee County is offline
Pleasantly demented woman
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New Albin, Iowa
Age: 52
Posts: 3,485
Thanks: 6,466
Thanked 5,331 Times in 2,162 Posts
Default

Yeah, it's sad that brown rice does not keep well, because it's so good.

Your extra OAs won't go to waste if you seal them up again after you take out the ones you want to use. Just don't let them have much (any) contact with the air. They stop working again as soon as there is no O2 for them to absorb, and they're good next time you unseal them.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Allamakee County For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 05:27 PM
The_Question's Avatar
The_Question The_Question is offline
28 Days Later
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Age: 31
Posts: 1,646
Thanks: 658
Thanked 1,126 Times in 588 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Allamakee County View Post
I get mine from USAEmergencySupply.com. But there are many sources, including the LDS website.

Material for sealing... what? The Mylar bags? - Those you heat seal. You actually melt the plastic. I use my daughter's hair straightening iron. Don't tell her.
haha that's awesome
The Following User Says Thank You to The_Question For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 06:14 PM
MikeK's Avatar
MikeK MikeK is offline
Walking methane refinery
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 51
Posts: 49,428
Thanks: 88,697
Thanked 99,848 Times in 32,497 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Member 
Total Awards: 1
Default

Brown rice doesn't store long because of the oils in it. But all the white rices store fine. I store quite a variety myself. I have some long grain white rice, but I generally prefer stickier short grain rices. I also store basmati, jasmine, mahagony and black rice. I like variety. One you might look at is converted or parboiled rice. This has more nutrition than standard white rice, yet will store well.

As for bugs, O2 absorbers will prevent an infestation. I saw test results long ago. They added some live bugs to several #10 cans of grains, then treated them with different methods. They opened them later and inspected. Gas flushing wasn't 100% effective and there was some grain damage. As we might expect, that silly bay leaf or Wrigley's spearment gum thing didn't work at all. The can with the O2 absorber showed that a few generations made it, but died off before any damage was done to the grains. So it's the best we have for now. Being stored in a bucket also adds a physical barrier between the grains and any late comers.

I use food grade diatomaceous earth on my grains. They use it in grain silos and such to keep bugs out. And it's commonly used in boxed mixes like Bisquick, for the same reason. Though it's really not necessary, since the O2 absorber will protect food from bugs.

Don't forget variety in beans also. Some of the smaller ones like lentils and split peas cook really fast. Others like great northerns, black beans, red beans, etc., are really handy in some recipes. The more variety the better in my opinion.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MikeK For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 06:48 PM
meredith meredith is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 226
Thanks: 157
Thanked 184 Times in 82 Posts
Default

As far as rice and other dry goods go...."Store what you eat and Eat what you store!"
If you don't eat or like rice then don't waste your time and money on storing it. If you do like rice then go to your local bulk foods place and get about a cup of each and try them. Find one, two or more that you like and then buy in bulk for storage.
I like short for some dishes and Jasmine for Thai food and then there's wild rice...oh my mouth is watering.
Good luck!
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to meredith For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 06:58 PM
Fepony's Avatar
Fepony Fepony is offline
Totally off grid
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: WAY off grid in NM.
Posts: 2,526
Thanks: 3,225
Thanked 5,456 Times in 1,570 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Thread 
Total Awards: 1
Default

Awesome stuff here and tons of info. http://www.aaoobfoods.com/
Old 04-26-2011, 07:00 PM
Summer's Avatar
Summer Summer is offline
Still here...
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: AZ
Posts: 1,153
Thanks: 3,681
Thanked 1,438 Times in 632 Posts
Default

Here's another thought on the bucket size. One gallon buckets and containers eat up space quickly and most don't stack well. You should consider getting 5g buckets and filling one with several 1g mylar bags. You'll still get the smaller sizes you want, but the buckets will be easier to move if you need to.

Oh, and pack some butterfly clips to close the bags with. They're cheaper than the 'bag clips,' and I think they work better.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Summer For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 07:06 PM
lanahi lanahi is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Northcentral Idaho
Posts: 4,806
Thanks: 7,362
Thanked 5,838 Times in 2,455 Posts
Default

Parboiled (instant) brown rice lasts longer than regular brown rice, though still not perfect as a long term prep. I have a few boxes of that but most of my rice is white and in larger bags.

Like Mike says above, get a little of all the kinds of white rice as they all have subtlely different flavors, and the texture depends on length of grain. Basmati and Jasmine are good rices, but it all is. I like the sticky rice too, which is a shorter grain, but long grain for most cooking. Short grain is also good in rice pudding, but you can make anything with all of them. Wild rice is not really a rice and I'm not sure it stores that well, plus it's expensive for a bulk grain.

If you eat what you store and rotate it, you don't have to worry a whole lot about the length of storage. It's just handier to be able to forget it for 20 years or so!
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to lanahi For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 07:33 PM
Dilnad Dilnad is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 226
Thanks: 109
Thanked 355 Times in 107 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeK View Post
Don't forget variety in beans also. Some of the smaller ones like lentils and split peas cook really fast. Others like great northerns, black beans, red beans, etc., are really handy in some recipes. The more variety the better in my opinion.
I am just crazy for Pinto Beans. I eat them every single day. I also store some mixed beans for soups but many less and just keep a few pounds ahead. As for Lentils I have several #10 cans of them which is a ton. I am storing in a condo so have to limit how much of any one thing I can do at this point. Might do a bucket of Northerns though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by meredith View Post
As far as rice and other dry goods go...."Store what you eat and Eat what you store!".
Good luck!
I do that for most of my preps but this is specifically some LTS stuff and I love rice but I'm a brown rice eater. For LTS I need to go with white. I like it, just prefer brown and that's what I rotate in my daily use.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Summer View Post
Here's another thought on the bucket size. One gallon buckets and containers eat up space quickly and most don't stack well. You should consider getting 5g buckets and filling one with several 1g mylar bags. You'll still get the smaller sizes you want, but the buckets will be easier to move if you need to.

Oh, and pack some butterfly clips to close the bags with. They're cheaper than the 'bag clips,' and I think they work better.
This is back to the limited space condo issue. I have shelving space for a good amount 1 gallon buckets but no room for 5 gallon ones. Can't even physically fit them up there. I've thought this one through fairly in depth. As for the bag clip idea. AWESOME suggestion!! Thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lanahi View Post
Parboiled (instant) brown rice lasts longer than regular brown rice, though still not perfect as a long term prep. I have a few boxes of that but most of my rice is white and in larger bags.
I agree. I have a whole bunch of that but not more than I can use inside of their regular expiration dates.
The Following User Says Thank You to Dilnad For This Useful Post:
Old 04-26-2011, 07:37 PM
MikeK's Avatar
MikeK MikeK is offline
Walking methane refinery
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 51
Posts: 49,428
Thanks: 88,697
Thanked 99,848 Times in 32,497 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Member 
Total Awards: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilnad View Post
I am just crazy for Pinto Beans. I eat them every single day. I also store some mixed beans for soups but many less and just keep a few pounds ahead. As for Lentils I have several #10 cans of them which is a ton. I am storing in a condo so have to limit how much of any one thing I can do at this point. Might do a bucket of Northerns though.
I love them too. They're my favorite. I store great northerns for an odd reason. They make a great "gravy" when ground into flour then cooked. Comes in handy sometimes. I don't like lentils a whole lot so I don't store a lot of them, but I do eat a lot of split peas. They're very versatile. I don't like kidney beans so I don't store any. It's all about storing what you like to eat.
Old 04-26-2011, 09:08 PM
Dilnad Dilnad is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 226
Thanks: 109
Thanked 355 Times in 107 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeK View Post
I love them too. They're my favorite. I store great northerns for an odd reason. They make a great "gravy" when ground into flour then cooked. Comes in handy sometimes. I don't like lentils a whole lot so I don't store a lot of them, but I do eat a lot of split peas. They're very versatile. I don't like kidney beans so I don't store any. It's all about storing what you like to eat.
Now that's an awesome tip. I still don't have the grinder situation worked out. It's on my list. I'd love to try that though.
Reply

Bookmarks



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Proper Storage of Grain Hick Industries Disaster Preparedness General Discussion 2 11-22-2009 07:55 PM
Adding grain drying/storage ex-hunter Farming, Gardening & Homesteading 13 11-02-2009 11:38 PM
5 gal water jugs for grain storage? slipkid Disaster Preparedness General Discussion 1 09-27-2009 03:29 PM
Foodsaver bags for long term grain storage caleb.rumeida Disaster Preparedness General Discussion 4 08-22-2009 07:13 PM
Long term grain storage sailinghudson25 Farming, Gardening & Homesteading 6 01-15-2009 08:43 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright Kevin Felts 2006 - 2012,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net