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.223 86 36.75%
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Old 04-15-2011, 05:41 PM
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if a long term shtf/teotwawki/without rule of law/etc occured, would you preferred a .223 or a .308 in a bolt rifle?

it should be capable of self defense, but to be honest i think it would see most use for hunting for food.
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Against my better senses, I'd have to go .223

Mainly for carrying more rounds and in a most likely survival situation, small to medium size game would be more likely.

I would likely lean towards the 308 if I lived in the mountains
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Are you bugging out with no defined resupply? Are you bugging in but need to be stocked up when you leave?

It really depends.

If you are bugging out then the .223 is better simply because of logistics for the round. That and you can carry a pocket full of .22lr with a chamber insert and greatly lower down the size of animals you can shoot.

With the .308 it takes far less rounds to do most jobs however what are you going to shoot that needs that much energy in 1 shot to take down? Can you skin, clean and perserve that much meat?

If you got into a conflict with armed aggressors you will kick yourself in the but if you did not go with the .308.

Outside of this, the .223 is the better choice for bugging out.

For bugging in it is a toss up. You can go around with 25 rounds of .308 or .223 and find a way to be effective with either.

Same question though, what are you shooting that you can actually take advantage of? If there is really anything you will shoot of a large size?
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It would depend on where I was at and what jobs I wanted my rifle to do. Heck, I might just want to go with a 7.62 X 39 and split the difference. If I were going to move around a lot, I'd go with the .223 rifle. If I were going to do a lot of hunting and working from a fixed position, I'd go with the 7.62 boomstick. So I need a little more information to give a better answer. I guess though.... if really pushed to it... I'd probably go with a scoped .223 caliber rifle. I could always get a bigger rifle to hunt with after taking out some louse with a rifle I liked...
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.223 for sure.
You can carry more ammo as it weighs less, the rifle is generally smaller and more compact, and ammo is a military standard and easy to obtain.

.308 is nice for more knockdown out to longer distances but the weight and cost per round is higher with less chance to find rounds if things get tight.
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well, the OP said in a bolt, so .308 wins in my oppinion.

in a semi i may opt for .223 depending on the situation.
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223 is fine for protection but try to take an elk at 300 yards.
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I am bugging in, and my choice is 308. But I also have an arsenal milled in 7.62x39, and you will laugh at next one is ruger mini 14. If you have people approaching trying to use cover or concealment the 308 will win everytime.
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223 is fine for protection but try to take an elk at 300 yards.
What about a moron at 100?
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What about a moron at 100?
Yep either would work just fine for that!!
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The OP stated bolt action.

If that is the action selection, I would opt for the .308.

If you expand your options to include semi autos, it might change my selection.
Of course, it really does depend on your location and anticipated needs.

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I voted .223 before I read the question. Slap,, ouch. For what you ask, I think I'd go for .308. A bigger bullet might mean the difference in eating and spending a lot of time and energy chasing a wounded animal. The energy might be the more important issue.
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I voted .223 before I read the question. Slap,, ouch. For what you ask, I think I'd go for .308. A bigger bullet might mean the difference in eating and spending a lot of time and energy chasing a wounded animal. The energy might be the more important issue.
Yeah, did the same thing too.
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thanks for all the comments and votes.
i wasn't very specific, because nobody knows what the future will bring.
other than a rifle is always handy to have.

right now i'm leaning towards a scout-ish .308 rifle with a 2-7x scope.
i'm getting my vacation money on june 20th, so i have plenty of time to change my mind and back again.
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thanks for all the comments and votes.
i wasn't very specific, because nobody knows what the future will bring.
other than a rifle is always handy to have.

right now i'm leaning towards a scout-ish .308 rifle with a 2-7x scope.
i'm getting my vacation money on june 20th, so i have plenty of time to change my mind and back again.
Good call on the 2X7. The lower power will aid in light gathering for those low light shots.
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I'd take a .308 bullet over a .223 any day.

I'd prefer the 30-30 lever of course, but the one bolt action I have is a scoped "308". Just in case I needed a longer reach.
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You live in Norway. .308 might not be as popular as some other calibers out there. 7.62x54, 7mm and 8mm mauser might be a better option.

I have a friend who has hunted deer with a 22-250 for about 30 years now. He handloads them mildly. So, they are a bit hotter than a .223 round.

IF where you hunt the shots are 150 meters or closer, the .223 will be fine for hunting. If 150 meters is consider a closer shot, then go with a more full size cartridge.

Practice is what makes a fiream package work. If price of ammunition is a big limiting factor, then if .223 is that much more inexpensive, go for it. If other factors, mostly free time or promixity to a practice range is a limiting factor, then that full size caliber is not a bad idea either.

You should hunt with as much caliber as you can comfortably handle. I hunt 150lb deer with a 1800 fps (550m/s) .45 caliber (11.4mm) round that weighs 325 grains (22 grams). It is at the very edge of my comfort level. But, I am very confident the animal will not suffer much and will be easy to find when shot.

This is my hunting rifle. For long term emergencies, I picked a affordable, light, low recoil round. The low recoil allows me to practice for long periods of time. The low recoil also allowd me to get back on target for a quicker repeat shot. The ammo also weighs half as much as my hunting round.

Don't bank so much on hunting to provide food. During wide spead emergencies, wild game is hunted heavily.
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No contest in a bolt gun,has to be .308
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308 no question regardless of platform.
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