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Old 04-07-2011, 12:14 PM
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So I am grappling with two choices and would appreciate some input about the pro's and con's about each.

In the Blue corner we have the Mossberg 590A1 w/ Bayonet. The obvious advantages are; superior ballistics at close range, a wide selection of ammo varieties (buckshot, slugs, birdshot, flares, and exotics). Ammo is easy to find in many different loads. It has a nice bayonet that will probably not be useful but still its too cool not to consider.

and in the Red Corner there is the Marlin 1894 357/38 spl lever action carbine with a stainless steel fishing with the scout rail and ghost rings. The advantages are that it shares the same ammo as my S&W m19-3. Additionally it would theoretically be more accurate between (50-100yds). Smaller, lighter, cheaper ammo to buy and carry.

Both ammo types are easy to find but are getting expensive. Both are reliable weapons that are flexible enough to be used in the woods, city, and small town environments. Both can be used for defense and also for hunting. Additionally both are pretty easy to carry without drawing too much negative attention that a M1A SOCOM or AK would. Which would you go with?
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I own a 590A1...great shotgun...especially with the Federal Flight Control ammo.

I like both of your choices, so it's a toss up. I find the SG to be very useful from food gathering to home defense.

I like the Marlin you spoke of because I like the scout concept. Biggest knock for the Marlin is that any way you look at it...it's still just a pistol caliber in the end. Sure you will be able to shoot it to 100 yards, but how much energy will it have at 100 yards? You did mention you have another firearm that uses the same ammo, so that is a plus on the Marlin.

If it was my money, I say get the 590A1 because it can perform more tasks compared to the Marlin. The Marlin can take large game, but it won't be able to take smaller game...IE birds and whatnot, while the shotgun can take birds up to bear.

I'd pass on the bayonet...kinda mall ninja-ish...if I run out of ammo, I'd be reaching for my secondary weapon not a bayonet.
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Second vote for the shotgun... When it comes to hunting there are very few weapons that are as versatile as the shotgun with proper ammo selection.

Munchie pointed out a very important fact to consider, the marlin is still a pistol caliber in a rifle platform.
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I would take the shot gun minus the bayonet, If shooting 00buck you get 9 30cal balls going downrange instead of 1 357/38 round. It will spread into a small pattern increasing your chance of hitting even a hidden target. In a wooded area where your adversary or game may be moving in the brush and behind foilage your chances for a hit is improved.
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Are you maybe asking which one to buy first? If so - the shotgun. It only reaches so far which neccesitates buying the other later! I like the idea of a handgun caliber rifle which can companion with a handgun using common ammo. Wakes me up as I have a Ruger .44 mag carbine and a couple .44 mag handguns. Thanks for the thought starter and good luck!
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Shotgun... no question.
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Just saw Centurian OO for cheap M590 is great shotgun its an assault shotgun... Slap on your field knife, bayonet 'em. But not for hunting small game. Slug for 50-100yd large game. 00 for close in, 0-25m. Birdshot is cheap at wally...

That said I love my 357 lever Rossi. Accurate 125m, powerful. Takes 357 mag for revolvers, derringer. Versitility of ammo- reload one type. If you keep it fed, like the shotgun, it does not run dry. Ammo is a tad more expensive.... And less available than 12ga.
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I'd go the shotgun. First. Then, at some later stage, get a long gun, although probably not the .357, you'd want something with a bit more reach, something a bit more versatile.

Remember, the correct amount of guns to own can be calculated using a very simple mathematical formula...

Correct amount of guns to own = n + 1, where n = the amount of guns you currently own.

So if you have two guns now, you really should have three.
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I say shotgun, and keep the bayonet. I don't see a down side to having a knife. If you can mount it to your weapon, it can be an advantage.

Another advantage of the shotgun is the different loads for different applications, small/large game, HD.

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If those were my only two choices, it would come down to game plan.

If you plan to bug-in, get the shotgun. If you plan to bug-out, get the 357.
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another vote for the shotgun here,,,if your gonna pack rifle size weight,, make it a rifle cartridge,,,,unless its 44 mag,,,
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I'd get the Marlin. Same caliber as your pistol. The old timers had the same concept and it worked for them. No reason it shouldn't work for you.
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are you recoil sensitive?
then a 12ga filled with buck or slugs is not for you.
now look at the 1894 with ten shots of .357 mag with little or no recoil, which do you think you would be able to handle better?

pick the one you will be able to be the most proficient with,dont get caught up in more firepower is always the way to go mindset, if you lay out the hard earned money for a shotgun and find out you wince everytime you use buck then your not going to be as effective with it as you would be with a fast handling pistol caliber carbine.
make no mistake the .357 magnum is a real problem solver, a revolver/rifle combo so chambered is most formidable in the hands of someone who can use it to put food on the table or keep the boogymen at bay.
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Buy both.

Reload

Practice...

OBTW, your range is rather limited with both......
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Wow seems like the shotgun has it... I already have a few shotguns but none with that reputation of reliability which is why I was considering upgrading to a 590a1. I will probably eventually get both of them. The main problem with the shotgun is the barrel selection with rifling and chokes and such.
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I really like the mathematical equation... I am going to have to use that one lol
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I too own both and if I had to grab one and run it'd be the Marlin hands down, better range, better pentration, smaller/lighter ammo and accuracy. Sorry the 590 is just too limited.
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logistically,i would always go with the 357 ... but load 38 specials the guns will last longer ... and should work just fine ... you can also carry more ammo which is a big upside ... more AIMED lead on the target ... also if one of your guns breaks (or jams badly) you can still use the ammo you are carrying,


a shot gun shoots 9 buck pellet whether it needs to or not ... its not very efficient..

but for reloading your own shells a shotgun is best, cause it only uses one primer to reload, so it has some merit
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oh and screw the mall ninja statement --- if it works who cares what it looks like -- if they comment after SHTF shoot the buggers
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