Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > Firearms and Other Weapons Forum > Firearms General Discussion > Rifle Forum
Articles Chat Room Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files



Advertise Here
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-04-2011, 05:07 AM
Zodiac.'s Avatar
Zodiac. Zodiac. is offline
knuckle up
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North Texas
Posts: 191
Thanks: 262
Thanked 78 Times in 45 Posts
Default Mosin Nagant



Advertise Here

Greetings,

I am considering picking up a Mosin Nagant 91/30 because A.) They are still powerful,relatively accurate guns B.) It would satisfy my nostalgic/historic side and C.) they're inexpensive and plentiful.

I've happened upon one locally that is in relatively good condition locally for $80.00. This will not be the first rifle I've fired,but it will be the first rifle I buy for myself which will be joined by a modern hunting rifle later on down the road as time and money allow. I will hunt medium to large animals with this rifle, for survival, not for sport.

I'd like to hear your opinions on this gun and any interesting/useful information about it. I have read that they are difficult to have fitted with a scope and I've seen some cheap scope mounts around that do not hold up long,but I plan to add an original WWII style Russian scope to it before long. I want to use it as the Russians used it in WWII. I decided on the 91/30 over a German Mauser because of the price of the gun and ammo availability in a potential SHTF situation. I will also add an M1 Garand to my stock at some point.

Thanks in advance.
Old 04-04-2011, 07:32 AM
anickode's Avatar
anickode anickode is offline
Suburban Cowboy
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Mi****again
Posts: 410
Thanks: 21
Thanked 410 Times in 179 Posts
Default

Hello!

I love my Mosin. I have an M44 carbine with a composite stock and whatnot, and it shoots great. When buying one, the big thing you need to look for is bore condition. When you look at it, remove the bolt and look down the entire bore against a bright light. Check for signs of wear, pitting, roughness, etc. The original ammo for these was corrosive, and if not cleaned before being stored, the barrel can come out looking like a piece of steel water pipe inside.

That's about it... if you are wanting to add a rear mounted scope, you'll need a bolt with a bent handle.

If you're looking to build a survival rifle out of this, the clunky wood stock ad a WWII era scope are not going to be the ideal setup for you by far.
The Following User Says Thank You to anickode For This Useful Post:
Old 04-04-2011, 07:46 AM
LuniticFringeInc LuniticFringeInc is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North Texas
Posts: 4,639
Thanks: 1,751
Thanked 4,310 Times in 2,041 Posts
Default

If its got a good bore on it, sounds to me like it will work just fine for its intended purpose as if without a scope.

I dont own one but have shot those owned by friends. I have seriously thought about getting one of the arsenal refinished sporterized versions on a few occasions. With ammo and the guns so cheap I have always thought these would make great survival guns for hunting.
Old 04-04-2011, 09:02 AM
Groovy Mike's Avatar
Groovy Mike Groovy Mike is offline
Immortal
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,411
Thanks: 500
Thanked 1,507 Times in 632 Posts
Default

There is nothing wrong with the Mosin - it will serve you well. I have had a pair of 91/30s and would not hesitate to hunt with either with iron sites. But the correct scope and mount you mentioned will cost far more than the rifle.

If it is a SHTF bolt action you are looking for you might want to consider a British Enfield. They have the advantage of having a 10 round detachable magazine vs. the Mosins 5 rd fixed mag. The Enfield also served admirably through both world wars too.
The Following User Says Thank You to Groovy Mike For This Useful Post:
Old 04-04-2011, 10:24 AM
Jida's Avatar
Jida Jida is offline
+Adcock
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Northern CA
Posts: 2,666
Thanks: 45
Thanked 2,166 Times in 1,078 Posts
Default

Always keep in mind that although inexpensive, they were made in a different time for a different people. I doubt anyone that held and shot a Mosin when they came out thought they were too heavy or kicked too hard.

If you are someone that is physical then you should have no issues. If you grew up on video games and dermal scrubs then maybe you should stick to something a little more breasty.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Jida For This Useful Post:
Old 04-04-2011, 10:24 AM
anickode's Avatar
anickode anickode is offline
Suburban Cowboy
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Mi****again
Posts: 410
Thanks: 21
Thanked 410 Times in 179 Posts
Default

Yeah, scope mounts for the Nagant are either cheap aftermarket, expensive aftermarket or very expensive original.

Your average run of the mill 91-30 costs around 100 bucks or less. A 91-30 with the original sniper scope on it runs $450 or more in good condition. If you're looking to use this as a survival/sport rifle, a commercially available mount will be a much more economical and logical option. Apart from your personal satisfaction, there isn't much reason to put an original sniper scope setup on a non-sniper rifle. They're really only valuable with matching numbers and an original bolt.
Old 04-04-2011, 11:07 AM
Varmit's Avatar
Varmit Varmit is offline
I see a bad moon arising
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,257
Thanks: 1,560
Thanked 1,738 Times in 679 Posts
Default

As anickode mentioned, there's cheaper options for Mosin scope
mounting than to try to replicate the historically correct mount.

Here's a link to a couple of rail options that replace the rear sight.
No modifications to the rifle that can't be undone. (drilling, etc.)
http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mossc.html

And, if you find the recoil on the Mosin to be a little harsh, consider adding
one of these recoil pads:
http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mos.html
To my understanding, the original Mosin stock was designed with the
Russian winter in mind. The length of pull on the stock is fairly short to
compensate for soldiers wearing bulky coats. The recoil pad will bring
the stock closer to "normal" length, really takes the bite out of the recoil,
and to my opinion, gives the stock profile a cleaner line / appearance than
the original factory look. (Also no permanant modification for the installation
of the recoil pad. Just unscrew the factory steel plate and screw the
recoil pad in its place.

Haven't personally tried any of the scope rails.
Thumbs-up on the recoil pad though.

Sounds like for $80, you can't go too wrong on your purchase unless
there's something horribly wrong with the particular gun you bought.
They're pretty simple and straightforward, and great value for the $$.
If the bore/rifling is decent, and the stock is solid, you did well.

Some other links you might find useful:

All sorts of Mosin info:
http://www.7.62x54r.net/

Military surplus replacement parts:
http://www.buymilsurp.com/

Mosin Nagant discussion forum:
http://milsurpshooter.net/forums/69/...ant-Forum.html

Mosin FAQ's
http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFAQ.htm

Parts Diagram and disassembly:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinDisassembly.htm

Fixing the "Sticky Bolt" on your Mosin
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...esbs/index.asp

Humor -- AR-15 vs. AK-47 vs. Mosin Nagant:
http://mouseguns.com/compare.htm
Old 04-04-2011, 02:45 PM
rextex rextex is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 9,179
Thanks: 8,726
Thanked 8,401 Times in 4,592 Posts
Default

An excellent rifle with plenty of power. It's deffinately capable of taking any game in North America.
The Following User Says Thank You to rextex For This Useful Post:
Old 04-04-2011, 02:57 PM
anickode's Avatar
anickode anickode is offline
Suburban Cowboy
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Mi****again
Posts: 410
Thanks: 21
Thanked 410 Times in 179 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rextex View Post
An excellent rifle with plenty of power. It's deffinately capable of taking any game in North America.
I probably wouldn't go up against a grizzly bear with one, but it's plenty capable for anything you might intentionally encounter in a survival situation, ie deer, elk, etc.
Old 04-04-2011, 03:10 PM
Brewbrother's Avatar
Brewbrother Brewbrother is offline
Objectivist
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Redneck Riviera
Age: 51
Posts: 509
Thanks: 226
Thanked 317 Times in 145 Posts
Default

I have a 91/30 and an m39. It is a great rifle and one I highly recommend. Forget about the scope. you really don't need it and it detracts from the price if you need to resell it. As other posters have noted, check the bore. The counter bored models are not to be overlooked. They function just as well as the original rifling.
Old 04-04-2011, 11:54 PM
KSGunner's Avatar
KSGunner KSGunner is offline
Always Gunnin
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Western Kansas
Posts: 518
Thanks: 243
Thanked 340 Times in 199 Posts
Default

I have two 91/30's one is a 1944 and the other is a 1943. For the price you can't go wrong. I agree with others the original scope is way too expensive (at least for me). I have both of mine set up with the rails that replace the rear sight. One rail I paid 70 bucks for and the other I paid 20 bucks for and they have both held up for a couple thousand rounds a piece. Mine are both equipped with and ATI Monte Carlo stocks, 9-13 Caldwell pivoting bipods, slings and 2-6 power Simmons pistol scopes. Hell any gun under 100 bucks is a good buy if you ask me go for it.
Old 04-05-2011, 12:05 AM
BenRumson BenRumson is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: central florida
Posts: 178
Thanks: 3
Thanked 151 Times in 78 Posts
Default

i have a 1916 M91, 1938 M 91/30, and a 1946 M44 with the recoil pad... i wouldnt bother with the rail thing, i have one and i went back to iron sights after one range session, from what ive read i would try and avoid wartime productions as they are more "sloppily" put together, definatly read up on your stuff so you know what to look for when buying at www.7.62x54r.net its a ton of information.
Old 04-05-2011, 01:40 AM
karlsgunbunker's Avatar
karlsgunbunker karlsgunbunker is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 80
Thanks: 3
Thanked 46 Times in 25 Posts
Default

I have several Mosi'n's, Great rifles and they go well with my PSL and FPK.

I have 2 Mosin Carbines I've "Sporterized", I used the UTG scope mount.
http://www.milsurpstuff.com/proddeta...prod=MNTMNTR01
Best no-drill mount I've found.
Both my Mosin scouts have the ATI Stocks and Bent Bolts (Boltman.com), as well as LER Scopes with the UTG mount.

"7.62x54r Cause bad guys like to hide behind sh!t".
Old 04-05-2011, 02:35 AM
Jaba1017's Avatar
Jaba1017 Jaba1017 is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Appalachia
Posts: 1,337
Thanks: 804
Thanked 1,538 Times in 686 Posts
Default

Do your research there is a broad range of quality in Mosins depending on year and usage. Personally I look for the accuracy proofs on the base of the barrel (some folks say the proofs don't mean anything, but personally I like to see the accuracy proof stamps) and an intact crown that is tight with lands visible. I also prefer 1939 or earlier. The war time year 91/30 Mosins have a very rough finish and feel more clunky and less balanced to me.

I installed a rear sight scope mount on one of mine. I think it was an S&K mount. It holds fine but scope options are limited to either a red dot or a pistol scope. On one of the other threads the NC Star 6x pistol scope was recommended for that role. I went with an unlimited eye relief red dot, and I have no complaints.

I've been considering mounting an AK style rail to the same rifle which would allow me interchange my PSO between the AK and Mosin. I've been looking at this mount:

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/firearm...de-mounts.html

The downside is the necessity of a bent bolt. I've taken some rough measurements and I'm not sure that the standard bolt will clear. It is close. A cheek pad may be necessary too.

In all honesty the un-scoped Mosin is the most practical option for a survival rifle. Though I fully understand the temptation to customize a Mosin.

Old 04-05-2011, 03:25 AM
Dark Skies's Avatar
Dark Skies Dark Skies is offline
Pantomime Villain
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: ENGLAND
Posts: 3,972
Thanks: 1,725
Thanked 4,856 Times in 2,096 Posts
Default

Don't just buy the first one you see. There's plenty about. I'd recommend getting one made in the fifties - chances are good it was never even issued. The M44 or M38 (no bayonet) carbines are handy in trucks. Polish made versions of the M44 are particularly well made.
Old 04-05-2011, 07:45 AM
Jaba1017's Avatar
Jaba1017 Jaba1017 is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Appalachia
Posts: 1,337
Thanks: 804
Thanked 1,538 Times in 686 Posts
Default

Here is the PSOP on a Mosin using a mount similar to the one I linked to. A similar mount is available for the SKS and many of the AKs come equipped with the rail. The PSOP is calibrated for both 7.62x54r and 7.62x39 so it would be interchangeable between all three.





The manual with my PSO scope provides the following with respect to elevation:

For Carbine type "Saiga" 7.62x39
100 meters 1
200 meters 2
300 meters 4

For Carbine type "Tigr" 7.62x54r
100 meters 1
200 meters 2
300 meters 3

If I was starting a Mosin scope mount project today I wouldn't look at anything other than a side mount. Being able to interchange the scope is a very attractive option. And the side rails for the Mosin are less expensive than other options even the rear sight mount options. This set up would be more similar to the original PO configuration but give more scope options in the PSOP line including red dot, night vision, and high magnification scopes.
Old 04-05-2011, 08:15 AM
BenRumson BenRumson is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: central florida
Posts: 178
Thanks: 3
Thanked 151 Times in 78 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaba1017 View Post
Here is the PSOP on a Mosin using a mount similar to the one I linked to. A similar mount is available for the SKS and many of the AKs come equipped with the rail. The PSOP is calibrated for both 7.62x54r and 7.62x39 so it would be interchangeable between all three.





The manual with my PSO scope provides the following with respect to elevation:

For Carbine type "Saiga" 7.62x39
100 meters 1
200 meters 2
300 meters 4

For Carbine type "Tigr" 7.62x54r
100 meters 1
200 meters 2
300 meters 3

If I was starting a Mosin scope mount project today I wouldn't look at anything other than a side mount. Being able to interchange the scope is a very attractive option. And the side rails for the Mosin are less expensive than other options even the rear sight mount options. This set up would be more similar to the original PO configuration but give more scope options in the PSOP line including red dot, night vision, and high magnification scopes.
that is SEXY!!!!!!
Old 04-05-2011, 09:03 PM
G_Man's Avatar
G_Man G_Man is offline
Prepared
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: SW Oregon
Posts: 351
Thanks: 68
Thanked 287 Times in 135 Posts
Default

You really can't beat a Mosin for performance vs. price point. Me, I've purchased a few for use as stash guns. How can you go wrong with a working accurate rifle for less than 100 bucks?
Old 04-05-2011, 09:18 PM
tobkis's Avatar
tobkis tobkis is offline
Always have an exit
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,711
Thanks: 6,977
Thanked 5,655 Times in 2,183 Posts
Default

Just do it.....
Old 04-05-2011, 09:24 PM
passin thru passin thru is offline
Hiker
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: On a clear day, you can almost see Colorado to the west..
Posts: 714
Thanks: 663
Thanked 586 Times in 316 Posts
Default

I would do a little shoping.
I know 91/30s are dirt cheap right now.
However, I would buy a shorter version first.
To me the Model 44 is a lot handier, even with
the side folding bayonet.

PS, a slip on recoil pad from wally world or Kmart is
a GOOD idea.

Owner of one M44.
Owner of two 91/30s.
Owner of (nevermind the wife might read this) M39s
(Honestly dear, there is one in the safe, one in the closet, one behind the door....
I respectfully refuse to answer on the grounds it might tend to incriminate me)
The Following User Says Thank You to passin thru For This Useful Post:
Reply

Bookmarks



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mosin-Nagant M44 sarge912 Military Weapons Forum 48 08-09-2010 12:41 PM
mosin-nagant? ackarg Military Weapons Forum 26 08-07-2009 06:51 PM
mosin nagant WISasquatch Rifle Forum 9 04-21-2009 04:47 AM
new mosin nagant!!!!...... well almost Brother Bear Military Weapons Forum 24 10-13-2008 07:09 AM
Just got a mosin nagant Gisys Firearms General Discussion 7 06-08-2008 07:00 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright Kevin Felts 2006 - 2012,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net


This site is Gunny Approved